Gander Hawk
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Are contributions to NIL tax deductible? I'd assume not, but for rich folk they usually are.
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InGoodCo
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She would be if she knew that we'd have close to 2 million to spend after
SwirlinLingerie
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It'll be interesting to watch analytics increasingly be embraced in college basketball, especially for these portal guys with some significant sample sizes at the D1 level. I would guess most teams aren't doing this yet, at least not compared to what's been taking place in the NBA for years now.
As teams add GMs, I think we'll also see more sophisticated analytic staff added as well. I'd try adding someone like that ASAP if I'm McCollum.
Which gets me to Freeman. I don't have any numbers to back it up, but my guess is he's completely overvalued at $1.8M.
As teams add GMs, I think we'll also see more sophisticated analytic staff added as well. I'd try adding someone like that ASAP if I'm McCollum.
Which gets me to Freeman. I don't have any numbers to back it up, but my guess is he's completely overvalued at $1.8M.
HawkeyeHypnosis
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NIL is a cancer on college sports. I get that there has to be something in place but this college version of free agency in my opinion is just mucking up waters. A “commitment” doesn’t have the same meaning now as it did pre-NIL.
Team A, neither team got any better, and we don't even know if either player
It seems like it, but it is hard to say because there is no transparency. We don't know what he was making at Iowa. We don't know what similar bigs are making across the country. Freeman doesn't seem like someone you can build a team around, but he could certainly be part of an effective lineup. To me, $1.8 mil seems to indicate you are building your team around him (I cannot imagine the rest of the starting 5 is getting that kind of dough).
This makes it hard for teams to know just how much they should spend on a guy, and it makes it hard for players. Over 700 players entered the portal on the 1st day it opened, presumably all looking to improve their situation. Are a bunch of guys thinking they will end up with a big payday going to strike out and not find a landing spot?
I think this needs to go to more of an American Professional Sports league model, with a salary cap and a CBA. I would even be fine with more of a European soccer model, with a free-for-all and the big spenders getting all of the talent. But either way, there needs to be reporting of contract-values and more transparency all around, for the sake of all parties.
It seems like it, but it is hard to say because there is no transparency. We don't know what he was making at Iowa. We don't know what similar bigs are making across the country. Freeman doesn't seem like someone you can build a team around, but he could certainly be part of an effective lineup. To me, $1.8 mil seems to indicate you are building your team around him (I cannot imagine the rest of the starting 5 is getting that kind of dough).
This makes it hard for teams to know just how much they should spend on a guy, and it makes it hard for players. Over 700 players entered the portal on the 1st day it opened, presumably all looking to improve their situation. Are a bunch of guys thinking they will end up with a big payday going to strike out and not find a landing spot?
I think this needs to go to more of an American Professional Sports league model, with a salary cap and a CBA. I would even be fine with more of a European soccer model, with a free-for-all and the big spenders getting all of the talent. But either way, there needs to be reporting of contract-values and more transparency all around, for the sake of all parties.
InGoodCo
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Ok, more skuzzle out of Omaha... dudes I work with seem to know more about Iowa players than Iowa fans. The word out there is that Owen was a cancer in the locker room. Quit on the team, could have toughened it out and continued to play and that him and Josh Dix are not friendly to each other.
It was rumored that Dix wasn't going to Creighton now that Freeman announced he was...but things in the last 10 hours or so have changed and he's re-engaged with Creighton.
It was rumored that Dix wasn't going to Creighton now that Freeman announced he was...but things in the last 10 hours or so have changed and he's re-engaged with Creighton.
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#1DieHardHawk
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I would never denigrate any college player maximizing their income while they can. The future is very uncertain for pretty much all of these young players. Cash in when you can.
BUT, it cuts both ways. In the real world, with high reimbursement comes high expectations. That's simply a fact of life that many athletes struggle to comprehend and/or accept.
In Freeman's case, not to dump on him at all, but I will say that I heard from a player on the football team that things started to go south over the summer when Garza was to come in and work out with him.
FWIW (and, again, I got this second hand from a football player), the story was that Owen kind of blew him off and kept coming up with vague health reasons why he couldn't attend the workouts, and eventually Luka simply called the whole thing off. If true, that's pretty lame considering that a star player was willing to devote his time to helping you.
If he truly got 1.8M in this stupid system that isn't pro ball then I say good for him. If he was my kid I would have told him the same thing
NorthKCHawk
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You are worth what someone will pay you. Good on him and his agent. College sports are run by adults. Not these kids' fault that these adults are totally incompetent. It is ruining the sport, I agree, but blame the presidents, NCAA, ADs, and Congress. All of this is fixable. There is a solution where kids get paid, AND there are rules and order in place. It takes leadership. There apparently is none.
Damn... That's pretty wild. I hope that's not true. Garza seems like the kinda guy that takes working out pretty seriously. I can't imagine he'd like to have his time wasted. If there's one former player that todays youngsters can learn from on work ethic and how to improve your game it'd be Garza. Look at how much he did between his freshman yr and now. I'd hope Freeman wouldn't be that big of a tool to blow off someone like him. That'd take some balls. I'd hope there's more to the story at least.
SwirlinLingerie
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Totally, Freeman should get what he can.
From a team's strategic standpoint, though, I wonder what his value is? NBA teams look at a Win Shares metric. From that perspective, I would guess there are players available under $500k that stack up as well as Freeman if not better when it comes to impacting a win. If that's true, then he is being overpaid. Increasingly college teams will mirror the NBA in that regardless of size of payroll, there will be an emphasis on maximizing wins per dollar.
And building the culture and continuity that can lead to your whole being greater than the sum of your parts. Better to keep and build up your own guys than overpay for someone who is, at best, a slight upgrade.
I hate when people make this argument but I see it a lot. There were plenty of people with Cook that said to go get paid and there were plenty of people that thought he was making a dumb move. Same with Freeman. Plenty of people on both sides of that one too. It's similar to when people say "the same people who said this are the same people who are saying this now". No its not. Different people have different opinions. Some people say one thing and some people say the other. I don't get why people pretend there was some concensus opinion to try to prove a point that isn't there. But like I said, I see it all the time.
I wouldn't leave your wife for under 2 mil, but everyone has their price.
Man that would suck for Dix if true. Finds a new perfect fit for a school and has to still deal with a player he doesn't like because he randomly went there too. That's some bad luck.
kicker22
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Pay me that kind of money and I'd room with the very same guy for a year.
Thats unfortunate if true. Freeman is extremely talented and when he's playing hard, he's one of the best in the conference. But he played lazy way too often. Imagine him if he had the work ethic and desire to work out with Garza. Imagine how much better he would have been this year. With that Owen Freeman, we are an NCAA tournament team for sure. That's not even factoring the team chemistry issues he may have caused. It's too bad it turned out this way because I thought if him and Harding stayed for four years they had a good chance to get Fran a Big 10 title. Turns out he might have ended Fran's career here.
Depends on how much less the next school was offering and how much I disliked him. I'm not going to let it ruin my senior year for 10% more than a different school. But if it was 50% more and I only disliked the guy, or 100% more and I hated the guy...
kicker22
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I get it. But I'm saying there getting paid to play the sport they love in college. We can spin it all we want, but with the money he's making I don't feel bad at all for him and nor would I expect him to if I was in his position. I agree with you that I wouldn't let it "ruin my senior year" for 10% more, but lets be honest they're living a better college life then we ever did making that kind of money so I think he'll be alright either way.
Oh I'm not going to spend time feeling sorry for him. I'm just saying it's unfortunate for him. Because if true, I'm sure he was thinking one of the bright sides to leaving Iowa was he was going to get away from him. I think it's also probably true Dix has been eyeing Creighton for at least a year. So for it to play out like this for him is rather unfortunate.
