Fran's ego

[1hawkeye1]

I want to discuss this in a serious way, instead of the trolling way that another unnamed troll did in the thread he started.
I like what Fran did with the starters by sending them to the pine when they decided to quit playing D. It was a bold move. And when the margin began to balloon, many coaches would not have been able to resist the urge to put them back in to keep the score respectable.
I think this move pays off for the team down the road.
What say you?

 

[ILHawk]

I think starting a post with the word troll is trolling.

That said, after a while players stopped playing for Bruce Weber. You can't hide lack of speed. The team still has fundamental performance issues and some of that has to be coaching.

It's bush league.

 

[DesMoinesHawki]

I personally don't think it will have any affect on the players. There will still be games where we get blown out. In the heat of the moment Fran's benching of the starters probably made him feel a little better. As for the players... well... I guess they at least realized coach is pi$$ed off. But I don't really think any long term or short term results will be had.

 

[DenchyDave]

 

[djwoody98]

He sent a message. I have no problem with it.

 

[sportstalent]

I want to discuss this in a serious way, instead of the trolling way that another unnamed troll did in the thread he started.
I like what Fran did with the starters by sending them to the pine when they decided to quit playing D. It was a bold move. And when the margin began to balloon, many coaches would not have been able to resist the urge to put them back in to keep the score respectable.
I think this move pays off for the team down the road.
What say you?

Like the move, it is a game Iowa wasn't going to win, but knowing your coach is ticked and watching the score get out of control can show how ticked he really is.

 

[STILLBUSTER]

Everyone saw, heard and understood the intent of the message. I just thought it was an emotional overreaction by a passionate coach who hates to lose and, at the very least, expects to be competitive at all times, who misinterpreted "lack of effot" for "overmatched".

My concern is that the message could just as easily be perceived as quitting on his players, "You guys are playing like crap today so you're not going to play anymore!" "I'm going to bench you out of frustration and anger that you're getting beat by better players!" "I'm going to deny you the opportunity to play through it, take your lumps and hopefully learn from it to stay motivated to get better."

The fallout might be it becomes a bit tougher sell to now come out tomorrow and say, "Dev is spectacular; Josh is a great shooter ... "

It's a double-edged sword and I'm playing devil's advocate a little bit here. Bottom line, I think Fran feels better about what he did. I think all the starters are going to blow it off as a "hot-head" move by coach and prepare for MSU on Thursday. I think the message boards and papers will continue to build a mountain to have something "important" to rehash 100 different ways over the next 4 days.

Next.

 

[rjhindm]

Was a much needed move. We were Out matched ... But it was obvious the starters gave up.

 

[GhostofBTT]

Was a much needed move. We were Out matched ... But it was obvious the starters gave up.

No it wasn't. They came into the second half not ready to play. That's on the coaching staff as much as the players. It was very clearly on over-reaction, because he did it way too soon into the half, and rather than bench the starters the entire second half, he put them back in.

The message, as I saw it, was "You're not as good as these guys, so watch these worse players go at it. Then, go back out and play when you know you have no chance to win".

 

[Seth53]

And when KF and TL sat/sit on their hands, we b!tch/ed about that too.

C'mon peeps, can't have it both ways.

 

[Tmoney12]

So it's time to replace Fran?

 

[GhostofBTT]

So it's time to replace Fran?

Who said that? Look, everyone had a bad day; The players played poorly, and the coaches coached poorly. Mix that up, and a pinch of On the Road, and you have a recipe for a 30 point blow out.

 

[mmills88]

I remember Bob Knight doing this at Iowa and not putting them back in. Alford's senior year maybe???

 

[Tmoney12]

Who said that? Look, everyone had a bad day; The players played poorly, and the coaches coached poorly. Mix that up, and a pinch of On the Road, and you have a recipe for a 30 point blow out.

Got it

 

[sportstalent]

Everyone saw, heard and understood the intent of the message. I just thought it was an emotional overreaction by a passionate coach who hates to lose and, at the very least, expects to be competitive at all times, who misinterpreted "lack of effot" for "overmatched".

My concern is that the message could just as easily be perceived as quitting on his players, "You guys are playing like crap today so you're not going to play anymore!" "I'm going to bench you out of frustration and anger that you're getting beat by better players!" "I'm going to deny you the opportunity to play through it, take your lumps and hopefully learn from it to stay motivated to get better."

The fallout might be it becomes a bit tougher sell to now come out tomorrow and say, "Dev is spectacular; Josh is a great shooter ... "

It's a double-edged sword and I'm playing devil's advocate a little bit here. Bottom line, I think Fran feels better about what he did. I think all the starters are going to blow it off as a "hot-head" move by coach and prepare for MSU on Thursday. I think the message boards and papers will continue to build a mountain to have something "important" to rehash 100 different ways over the next 4 days.

Next.

It is one thing if Fran gets down on a player, or players and stays down their throat. You can see that when Fran gets ticked and upset at players, it is done when he is done. Rarely, if ever, have I seen him bench a player to then insert him back in the game and bench him after the first mistake.

I think that is why the players talk about how much they love to play for him.

 

[hawkfan33]

No it wasn't. They came into the second half not ready to play. That's on the coaching staff as much as the players. It was very clearly on over-reaction, because he did it way too soon into the half, and rather than bench the starters the entire second half, he put them back in.

The message, as I saw it, was "You're not as good as these guys, so watch these worse players go at it. Then, go back out and play when you know you have no chance to win".

Troll on brother!

 

[BasketballMan]

Troll on brother!

Troll? I dont think so. Ghost is spot on.

 

[HawkinGoferLand]

And when KF and TL sat/sit on their hands, we b!tch/ed about that too.

C'mon peeps, can't have it both ways.

best post in either thread!

 

[tednugentfan]

I think it was a good move, but do not think it will have any impact on the team. Michigan was better at every spot on the floor... possibly to 8 deep. I like McCaffrey, but have no clue what Meyer and Uthoff will add to a team that is woefully void of guys capable of creating their own offense. It's going to be ugly against the top 6 teams in the big ten, regardless of how much Fran shouts. After watching Purdue's freshman last night, I am not sure we are ascending as many think.

 

[sportstalent]

I think it was a good move, but do not think it will have any impact on the team. Michigan was better at every spot on the floor... possibly to 8 deep. I like McCaffrey, but have no clue what Meyer and Uthoff will add to a team that is woefully void of guys capable of creating their own offense. It's going to be ugly against the top 6 teams in the big ten, regardless of how much Fran shouts. After watching Purdue's freshman last night, I am not sure we are ascending as many think.

You will see Clemmons, Gesell, Ingram and Jok be those players with Marble next year. Clemmons is showing some of it, but I wish he would do it more.

I don't know what to expect out of Uthoff, but I expect Meyer to play tough and be a good rebounder.

This team has to beat people by running the ball movement quickly and take good shots all the time, their defense wasn't good today, but Michigan is going to beat people like this at home, not just Iowa. Iowa hasn't been that team with Fran yet, but they also haven't been moving the ball like they should be in the last three games.

If you believe your last statement then, well, I am sorry. Purdue got drilled in the second half of that game and they had as much or more talent returning as Iowa did, so I don't understand your point. Actually, on paper they had more talent returning if you believe recruiting rankings and their recruiting class was also ranked higher than Iowa's. I think Iowa and Purdue split this year.

Also if losing at home by 5 to the second best team in the conference and a favorite to make the Final Four, well call it ugly.