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Bigtenchamp

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Tournament history:

The NCAA tournament has expanded a number of times throughout its history. This is a breakdown of the history of the tournament formats: 1939–1950: 8 teams
1951–1952: 16 teams
1953–1974: varied between 22 and 25 teams
1975–1978: 32 teams
1979: 40 teams
1980–1982: 48 teams
1983: 52 teams (four play-in games before the tournament)
1984: 53 teams (five play-in games before the tournament)
1985–2000: 64 teams
2001–2010: 65 teams (with an opening round game to determine whether the 64th or 65th team plays in the first round)
2011–present: 68 teams (four games in the first round before all remaining teams compete in the second round)

After the conclusion of the 2010 tournament, there was much speculation about increasing the tournament size to as many as 128 teams. On April 1, 2010, the NCAA announced that it was looking at expanding to 96 teams for 2011. On April 22, 2010, the NCAA announced a new television contract with CBS/Turner that would expand the field, but only to 68 teams

SO HEY any team that wasn't in the first 8 isn't in the NCAA tournament... because that's the way it was in 1939

The other 56 teams are just "play in"games.

So when they add 120 teams some day none of those will count either only 64...

Were in the NCAA tournament get over this childish meaningless number...
 
Here's how to judge if you are in the tourney or not. Can you choose, on the bracket maker apps on espn or cbs, your team for the championship.

On both apps, you cannot choose Iowa. The name of the team, if you select it for the champion of the tournament is Iowa/Tenn (espn bra ket maker) or Round 1 #4 (cbs bracket games).

Iowa doesn't appear alone on the bracket. They are not in the tourney.
 
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Bigtenchamp said:
Tournament history:

The NCAA tournament has expanded a number of times throughout its history. This is a breakdown of the history of the tournament formats: 1939–1950: 8 teams
1951–1952: 16 teams
1953–1974: varied between 22 and 25 teams
1975–1978: 32 teams
1979: 40 teams
1980–1982: 48 teams
1983: 52 teams (four play-in games before the tournament)
1984: 53 teams (five play-in games before the tournament)
1985–2000: 64 teams
2001–2010: 65 teams (with an opening round game to determine whether the 64th or 65th team plays in the first round)
2011–present: 68 teams (four games in the first round before all remaining teams compete in the second round)

After the conclusion of the 2010 tournament, there was much speculation about increasing the tournament size to as many as 128 teams. On April 1, 2010, the NCAA announced that it was looking at expanding to 96 teams for 2011. On April 22, 2010, the NCAA announced a new television contract with CBS/Turner that would expand the field, but only to 68 teams

SO HEY any team that wasn't in the first 8 isn't in the NCAA tournament... because that's the way it was in 1939

The other 56 teams are just "play in"games.

So when they add 120 teams some day none of those will count either only 64...

Were in the NCAA tournament get over this childish meaningless number...
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When you fill out that million dollar bracket, you don't do the play in round.
 
Doesn't matter to me....I have either #11 team beating UMass then losing to Duke.



NCAA claims you're in the tournament. That's PR Bull. If they believe what they're saying, then #15/#16 in each bracket would have to play a play-in game....why #11?...makes no sense.

It doesn't feel like we're technically in the tournament having to play a play-in game.
 
There's a big difference between this recent expansion, and the expansions to 16, 32, 48, etc. When those older expansions were made, nearly EVERY team played in the first round. Only and handful of teams played in play-in games, and everybody had the common sense to call those games what they were. Today, the NCAA wants to call those play-in games the first round while the other 60 teams get a bye to the second round.

Calling these games the first round is simply the NCAA putting lipstick on a pig in an effort to drive ratings.
 
tm3308 said:
There's a big difference between this recent expansion, and the expansions to 16, 32, 48, etc. When those older expansions were made, nearly EVERY team played in the first round. Only and handful of teams played in play-in games, and everybody had the common sense to call those games what they were. Today, the NCAA wants to call those play-in games the first round while the other 60 teams get a bye to the second round.

Calling these games the first round is simply the NCAA putting lipstick on a pig in an effort to drive ratings.
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Well said.
 
cincyhawk said:
Here's how to judge if you are in the tourney or not. Can you choose, on the bracket maker apps on espn or cbs, your team for the championship.

On both apps, you cannot choose Iowa. The name of the team, if you select it for the champion of the tournament is Iowa/Tenn (espn bra ket maker) or Round 1 #4 (cbs bracket games).

Iowa doesn't appear alone on the bracket. They are not in the tourney.
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hockalot said:
When you fill out that million dollar bracket, you don't do the play in round.
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Lmao, so these damn bracket challenges are trolling us as well?
 
cincyhawk said:
Here's how to judge if you are in the tourney or not. Can you choose, on the bracket maker apps on espn or cbs, your team for the championship.

On both apps, you cannot choose Iowa. The name of the team, if you select it for the champion of the tournament is Iowa/Tenn (espn bra ket maker) or Round 1 #4 (cbs bracket games).

Iowa doesn't appear alone on the bracket. They are not in the tourney.
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Can Iowa win the NCAA tournament? Yes. They are in the tourney.
 
Yes, technically Iowa is in the tournament. The history books will say so.

But tonight's game still is what it is - a game with TN to become the 11th seed to take on the 6 seed in the "second" round. Dubbing these handful of games "the first four", the "first round", etc. doesn't really change their meaning. When it was just a pair of 16 seeds playing a single game, it was a play in. So they add a couple more games, and now it's a round? Whatever I guess.
 
The NCAA should really just call it the "Wild Card Round", and everyone would embrace it. See NFL/MLB.
 
I've filled out many tournament brackets and not 1 had me pick a Iowa/Tenn winner. Iowa is not in the tournament unless they win tonight.
 
I think you're in the tourny but its got the ugly asterix next to it. That said, its definitely a topic of debate. What would make it even more of a hot topic/debate would be if the winners advanced to March Madness, but the losers went on to play in the NIT.

As a Hawkeye fan I will go on to say that the only reason I consider it "in" is because we're playing in it. If we were one of the 60 byes or end up advancing then I would say that it doesn't count and is nothing more than a winner advances end of season play off game like MLB uses.
 
Call it what you want... but ask last nights teams:

"After the NCAA-mandated 10 minutes to cool off, the locker room was opened to the media. To me. The players inside had no idea what they were missing, but they were missing a flood of TV cameras and microphones. They were missing a locker room so full of reporters that there's no room for the players, so they break away to the steamy shower just to breathe. They were missing what will await the other No. 16 seeds in the real NCAA Tournament.

The NCAA prefers that we don't call what happened Tuesday night a play-in game, and I prefer you don't call me bald. It's possible I am bald, but do me the courtesy of not noticing.

Even Albany's coach and players have been calling this thing a play-in game since Sunday night, when they gathered to watch the selection show and watched their name come up for ... this. The team wasn't clapping or hooting. The team was stunned, and trying to recover."

First Four: A play-in game, and insult - CBSSports.com
 
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