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HawkPrdatr40 said:
No clue but IMO a defensive collapse can’t be the fault of 1 guy not being in the game.
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Sure it can. You need your big play guys out there. If I'm trying to stop a 2 minute offense, I want my Reggie White, Bruce Smith, LT, Adrian Clayborn, stud pass rusher guy on the field. No questions asked. A huge piece of the evolution of the game the past 30 years has been about the dominant pass rusher off the right side disrupting the newfangled high power passing offenses.
 
InGoodCo said:
Why is KF such a dummy? I mean, he's proven over and over and over that he doesn't know how to manage a young mans career. I wonder why parents even send kids to Iowa.
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i can't tell, maybe i need more sleep after the new year, are you being sarcastic here or do you actually think this is true? I only ask because if you think that, that's beyond dumb. I'm hoping you're being sarcastic, if so, sorry for missing it, i'm tired today.
 
okeefe4prez said:
Sure it can. You need your big play guys out there. If I'm trying to stop a 2 minute offense, I want my Reggie White, Bruce Smith, LT, Adrian Clayborn, stud pass rusher guy on the field. No questions asked. A huge piece of the evolution of the game the past 30 years has been about the dominant pass rusher off the right side disrupting the newfangled high power passing offenses.
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Funny you mentioned adrian clayborn. Part of why clayborns numbers weren't as good his senior year besides some injury issues to his arm, was because he was out there pretty much every play because we had no rotation or depth to speak of. This years squad had four legitimate, awesome, starting de's on it. Finding minutes for all of them was difficult. Hopefully most people noticed as the season wore on and golston and aj got better and better against the run, they started playing more and more snaps, especially on obvious passing downs. Aj is our best edge rusher, he is our best de on passing downs, hesse is our best de against the run, and nelson is the best all around. Hence why AJ came in on every major passing down for the most part, and hesse moved inside to a 4 de package. Most of the latter part of the season we were rocking a 4 de look on passing downs, including in the bowl game. The other thing about it is aj is a full throttle guy all the time. There were several plays in the bowl game i noticed where nelson would drop in zone in the middle and try and swat down passes over the middle, while we sent a blitz from a middle linebacker or outside linebacker. aj's probably not where hesse and nelson are on the other parts of the game like that. no insult to aj, when he's done with his career here he'll probably be the best to ever play de here, and that's saying something with kampan, devries, clayborn, just in recent memory.
 
InGoodCo said:
I definitely didn't say that. No where did I even insinuate that. Noah earned every bit of what he had coming to him, but you're being disingenuous if you don't think Iowa was the catalyst for Noah's rise or have just realized that Iowa put's tight ends in the NFL.
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Lol. Well, now you said it. :rolleyes:
 
iloveyoularrystation said:
Funny you mentioned adrian clayborn. Part of why clayborns numbers weren't as good his senior year besides some injury issues to his arm, was because he was out there pretty much every play because we had no rotation or depth to speak of. This years squad had four legitimate, awesome, starting de's on it. Finding minutes for all of them was difficult. Hopefully most people noticed as the season wore on and golston and aj got better and better against the run, they started playing more and more snaps, especially on obvious passing downs. Aj is our best edge rusher, he is our best de on passing downs, hesse is our best de against the run, and nelson is the best all around. Hence why AJ came in on every major passing down for the most part, and hesse moved inside to a 4 de package. Most of the latter part of the season we were rocking a 4 de look on passing downs, including in the bowl game. The other thing about it is aj is a full throttle guy all the time. There were several plays in the bowl game i noticed where nelson would drop in zone in the middle and try and swat down passes over the middle, while we sent a blitz from a middle linebacker or outside linebacker. aj's probably not where hesse and nelson are on the other parts of the game like that. no insult to aj, when he's done with his career here he'll probably be the best to ever play de here, and that's saying something with kampan, devries, clayborn, just in recent memory.
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Great points, on long drives I can't imagine a DE playing every snap. By the end of the drive they would have to be whipped. It makes sense if you have good D-line depth to rotate them. At the end of the game it could be the difference between winning or losing. It was probably why the defense still looked really good at the end of the game against Miss St.
 
okeefe4prez said:
Really? I can't imagine any TEs are even near the same ballpark as Fant other than Irv Jr., that kid from A&M and Hock. If Fant is better than those other guys in the combine, I see no reason not to take him. Teams have gotten burned on guys like Warren Sapp and Randy Moss over "character" and unless there's a credible shot that a guy is a total cancer or likely to be incarcerated, there's no freaking way you pass on him if he's the best out of a crew. Personally, I think Hock is the best out of the bunch if you want an actual TE, then Irv Jr. is next, but he and Hock are pretty close. I'd only take Fant if I was running a run and shoot offense and wanted the mismatch nightmare on the inside.
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Not arguing any of that. My point was that he has taken steps to protect his draft stock by mitigating his risk of injury, perhaps he should take the same approach to Twitter. I don't know if he is for isn't far and away better than everyone else at the position but if it is close character becomes a much more scrutinized factor.
 
PCHawk said:
Does he even play half of the snaps? If he was playing 3/4 of the snaps I could se your point. But half at best?
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That is the debate then. Lets just say that a defensive end is in absolutely impeccable shape. First of all, do you think that over a 60 minute game and 80 defensive snaps that there should be any drop off in production at all? If so, how many snaps before that player loses a half step? The difference between getting to the quarterback and not getting there is like splitting hairs, where just a fraction of a second can impact the game either way, so any loss of power or speed could define the game.
 
If Fant gets drafted in the first or second round of the NFL draft (and is physically intact, free of injury), hasn't Ferentz done his job???
 
lightning1 said:
It's double edged sword when you show loyalty to upperclassmen. I get why KF does it but there is a downside. The better 4 and 5* prospects won't choose to play for a coach that does this. Unless you live and breath Iowa football like AJ does. They feel like they have the talent to play right away and they might feel like they won't get that opportunity at Iowa. Right or wrong, I think that's a point of negative recruiting on KF.
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You inside the minds of a lot of 4* and 5* guys, huh?
 
tksirius said:
Yeah, Kirk handed it to him. Fant didn't earn the opportunity to play at Iowa and score all those touchdowns or earn the 1st round NFL draft predictions. :rolleyes:
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He also might have earned the # 2 TE spot for his Junior year. The coaches play whoever they think is working the hardest. Usually the most reliable player at fundamentals. At this point I'm guessing Fant wasn't out working Hock and I would bet a silver dollar that his Sophomore season went straight to his head.
 
I am sure I am in the minority here but I feel any player that quits the TEAM before the last game of the season is a quitter plain and simple. They make it obvious they are not a TEAM player and apparently never were,maybe that explains things a bit?? Hey why not sit out the last regular season game too, did that game really mean anything when it gets right down to it? After all you might get hurt! Fant quit on his teamates before the season was over. The rest of the TEAM had another month's worth of practice after he QUIT. AJE wasn't even his teammate anymore at the time of the bowl game.

Everyone focuses on the 1 or 2 times a player actually got hurt in a bowl game and it cost them. What about the other thousands of guys that it didn't happen too? Got a lot more respect as a man for the first round pick for Miss St that chose to play one more game with HIS TEAMATES when he coulda been safely tweeting from afar...
 
Part of the reason Epenesa is so goddamn effective is precisely because he isn't out there for every single play.

The fact that he kicks ass every time he's in there indicates that the coaches are in fact putting him in the optimal position to succeed.

Yes, he could play every down. But why force it and the increased risk versus marginal reward that go with it when you don't have to? The NFL knows what he is. They probably won't play him every down either, given the inherent nature of the position.
 
Adam said:
He also might have earned the # 2 TE spot for his Junior year. The coaches play whoever they think is working the hardest. Usually the most reliable player at fundamentals. At this point I'm guessing Fant wasn't out working Hock and I would bet a silver dollar that his Sophomore season went straight to his head.
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Fant is a mediocre blocker. The mistake that Bri son of Kirk made was playing him at TE instead of playing him as a giant freak WR. Imagine the pants pissing by DC's with Hockenson at TE and Fant split out wide in the red zone.
 
ThunderHawk said:
Fant is a mediocre blocker. The mistake that Bri son of Kirk made was playing him at TE instead of playing him as a giant freak WR. Imagine the pants pissing by DC's with Hockenson at TE and Fant split out wide in the red zone.
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Oh, you mean like on the play in State College where Fant was in the slot, Hock was at TE and Nate threw the pill right to the PSU defender? I saw some pant pissing on that play but it wasn't by Penn State's DC. Please try to watch some games before you comment next time, bud.
 
ThunderHawk said:
Part of the reason Epenesa is so goddamn effective is precisely because he isn't out there for every single play.

The fact that he kicks ass every time he's in there indicates that the coaches are in fact putting him in the optimal position to succeed.

Yes, he could play every down. But why force it and the increased risk versus marginal reward that go with it when you don't have to? The NFL knows what he is. They probably won't play him every down either, given the inherent nature of the position.
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I agree with this. You make a guy block Hesse for 6 plays, then ol #94 comes strutting in with fresh legs and at least half the LTs in the country are as worthless as tits on a boar trying to block the new style of rusher.
 
okeefe4prez said:
Oh, you mean like on the play in State College where Fant was in the slot, Hock was at TE and Nate threw the pill right to the PSU defender? I saw some pant pissing on that play but it wasn't by Penn State's DC. Please try to watch some games before you comment next time, bud.
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Your going to pick one broken play as evidence for that? A play that, I might add, was going to work if everyone was on the same page?
 
ThunderHawk said:
Fant is a mediocre blocker. The mistake that Bri son of Kirk made was playing him at TE instead of playing him as a giant freak WR. Imagine the pants pissing by DC's with Hockenson at TE and Fant split out wide in the red zone.
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I might have considered playing him at fullback and using him as a check down once the whining started.
 
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