Evidence of the influence of a good coach

FreddyBrown

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I posted this in response to a statement I saw elsewhere that UNI's second team could beat Iowa. I don't know if that's true, but I did see UNI's second team give Wichita State all they could handle for a good part of that game today, and Wichita State is one of the many teams that just handed it to the Hawks this season.

Whether that second five could beat us or not, I think that still illustrates a fundamental point. The sign of a good basketball coach is in how his team plays. That's a point that seems self-evident, and beyond debate. Yet we as fans who initially don't want to believe our coach is anything but competent have collectively spent a lot of time and effort over the last three years trying to rationalize why what we see on the court isn't indicative of the level of competence of our coach.

There comes a time when you have to get past that and accept the evidence that stares you in the face. Over time, a good coach makes lemonade out of lemons. You see improvement. You see cohesion. You see execution of a plan and a scheme designed to maximize the abilities of the players you have.

You could see that evidence clearly even in the play of the second team of UNI today, to say nothing of the first team.

Meanwhile, what you saw on the court against Minnesota was another abysmal display of basketball by players who in many cases have now spent two or three years under the tutelage of the same coach--more than enough time to allow the benefits of the coach's talent as a teacher, manager, motivator and communicator to become evident. I believe those same players, if they were playing for UNI or any of dozens of other programs with other coaches, would have performed as well as a group as what I saw from the UNI kids today.

Simply put, when you have a really good coach, you see the results on the court, even if the team isn't particularly talented and even if they are outmanned most of the time.

I don't know about you, but I don't see it here.

I don't know how to reconcile what Lick did at Butler--at least in a couple of his seasons there--with what he has done here, but the time to stop trying to explain the results here as solely the result of factors other than poor coaching (including all the facets of the job) has passed.

I'm resigned to the fact that barring some unforeseen events, Lick will be coaching here again next season. But that brings to mind the old Albert Einstein quote that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
 
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Freddy,

Another excellent post!

I may not agree with everything you write, but they are well written with excellent analysis. We need dozens of more posters like you!

Congrats!
 
I posted this in response to a statement I saw elsewhere that UNI's second team could beat Iowa. I don't know if that's true, but I did see UNI's second team give Wichita State all they could handle for a good part of that game today, and Wichita State is one of the many teams that just handed it to the Hawks this season.

Whether that second five could beat us or not, I think that still illustrates a fundamental point. The sign of a good basketball coach is in how his team plays. That's a point that seems self-evident, and beyond debate. Yet we as fans who initially don't want to believe our coach is anything but competent have collectively spent a lot of time and effort over the last three years trying to rationalize why what we see on the court isn't indicative of the level of competence of our coach.

There comes a time when you have to get past that and accept the evidence that stares you in the face. Over time, a good coach makes lemonade out of lemons. You see improvement. You see cohesion. You see execution of a plan and a scheme designed to maximize the abilities of the players you have.

You could see that evidence clearly even in the play of the second team of UNI today, to say nothing of the first team.

Meanwhile, what you saw on the court against Minnesota was another abysmal display of basketball by players, many of whom have now spent two and three years under the tutelage of the same coach--more than enough time to allow the benefits of the coach's talent as a teacher, manager, motivator and communicator to become evident. I believe those same players, if they were playing for UNI or any of dozens of other programs with other coaches, would have performed as well as a group as what I saw from the UNI kids today.

Simply put, when you have a really good coach, you see the results on the court, even if the team isn't particularly talented and even if they are outmanned most of the time.

I don't know about you, but I don't see it here.

I don't know how to reconcile what Lick did at Butler--at least in a couple of his seasons there--with what he has done here, but the time to stop trying to explain the results here as solely the result of factors other than poor coaching (including all the facets of the job) has passed.

I'm resigned to the fact that barring some unforeseen events, Lick will be coaching here again next season. But that brings to mind the old Albert Einstein quote that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Lick will be gone if we see transfers. If not, we will see marked improvement next year. Yes this year has sucked, but why can't we just wait for the the BTT to start and end and then see what transpires in the next few weeks? My guess is many will keep beating the **** out of that dead ******* horse!
 
You realize of course that Iowa has too big of a layoff between our last game (or not enough time off) and the first game of the Big 10 tournament, the first game won't be played at the correct time of day, the weather will be just the opposite of what Iowa was expecting, and to top it off Michigan will have seniors playing...terrible, terrible, way for Iowa to begin the Big 10 tournament...just ask Lickliter.

And to top it off, if Iowa wins the Big 10 expects Iowa to play 4 days in a row. How can THAT be fair? The Big 10 is out to get Lickliter...just ask him.
 
You wanna know what a good coach is. It's a coach that can put a whole line shift in with a bunch of underclassman & the team doesn't lose a step & sticks with the fundamentals they are taught. It's a coach that can coach his team to play 10 freaking deep & have total confidence in everyone. This is what I took out of watching UNI yesterday. Jacobsen is a total technician & covers all the bases.

He put in a freshman back-up point guard with the other 3 subs & the kid pretty much protected the ball & played in position along with his teammates offensively & defensively.

I then watch some Iowa b-ball & see Payne driving in the lane out-of-control throwing the ball away when trying to pass to Gatens. It was a pass that was not even going to get anywhere or do anything for the team if was completed.

The Iowa offense strategy completely sucks with too much dribbling around the top of the key. UNI players make sharp decisive cuts to the hoop & create spacing for OPEN shots. Wisconsin plays a similar style of O. Sharp cuts!!

I am totally impressed with Ben Jacobsen, clearly in a league of his own as the best b-ball coach in this state anyway.
 
Freddy,

You continue to impress me with your points.

Absolutely one of the best at laying out constructive criticism of this coach and backing it up with rationale thoought.

Thank you.
 
Very nice postl. I too hope for marked improvment, but it is much like my faith in god at this point, I see no tangible reason to expect marked improvement. The only player I have seen with major improvement has been Fuller and I think that is probably due to much hard work on his part and not so much as coaching.
 
You wanna know what a good coach is. It's a coach that can put a whole line shift in with a bunch of underclassman & the team doesn't lose a step & sticks with the fundamentals they are taught. It's a coach that can coach his team to play 10 freaking deep & have total confidence in everyone. This is what I took out of watching UNI yesterday. Jacobsen is a total technician & covers all the bases.

Wondering how long Jacobsen will stay at UNI.

It also helps him that he has some great upperclassmen. It will be interesting to see how successful UNI is next year.
 
McDermott did the same things at UNI that we see Jacobsen doing now. He was considered a very good coach at UNI, but that hasn't translated to ISU and the competition they face in the Big 12.

Most people will say that it takes anywhere from 2-4 yrs for a coach to really make a program "theirs", but when you have so many issues with player retention, that 2-4 years gets pushed out. I don't know whose fault all of the transfers are, but really that is why we are not seeing results in year 3.

Lick is going to get another year to prove that he can get it done at Iowa. We have 4 nice recruits coming in and hopefully an athletic JUCO PG in either Alexander or Williams. If lick can't get it done next year, it would be impossible for Barta to continue down this path.
 
McDermott did the same things at UNI that we see Jacobsen doing now. He was considered a very good coach at UNI, but that hasn't translated to ISU and the competition they face in the Big 12.

Most people will say that it takes anywhere from 2-4 yrs for a coach to really make a program "theirs", but when you have so many issues with player retention, that 2-4 years gets pushed out. I don't know whose fault all of the transfers are, but really that is why we are not seeing results in year 3.

Lick is going to get another year to prove that he can get it done at Iowa. We have 4 nice recruits coming in and hopefully an athletic JUCO PG in either Alexander or Williams. If lick can't get it done next year, it would be impossible for Barta to continue down this path.

McDermott built a nice foundation, but Jacobsen is doing more than McDermott ever did. McDermott never won a regular season title and Jacobsen has now won back to back regular season and tournament titles, and has also set the school record for wins this season. They've also got a pretty impressive bunch of freshmen who should really step up next season, along with several upperclassmen guards who are returning.
 
McDermott built a nice foundation, but Jacobsen is doing more than McDermott ever did. McDermott never won a regular season title and Jacobsen has now won back to back regular season and tournament titles, and has also set the school record for wins this season. They've also got a pretty impressive bunch of freshmen who should really step up next season, along with several upperclassmen guards who are returning.

I am impressed with what Jacobson has done but lets be honest MVC talent has been down the last couple of season. Sending no at large probably back to back seasons. In just 06' they sent three at large teams.
 
I wonder where we would have finished if we played in the MVC this year. We were 1-2 against MVC teams.
 
Freddy I agree with everything you said! As for me, I wouldn't mind seeing Jacobsen as the Head Hawk. I know others might disagree, but I have seen nothing but success from his program, and he certainly couldn't do any worse than Lick is doing right now. I just hope he is still available after (and I do mean after, not if) Lick fails to make any headway next year.
 
Freddy I agree with everything you said! As for me, I wouldn't mind seeing Jacobsen as the Head Hawk. I know others might disagree, but I have seen nothing but success from his program, and he certainly couldn't do any worse than Lick is doing right now. I just hope he is still available after (and I do mean after, not if) Lick fails to make any headway next year.

I don't want to go the mid-major route again if we can help it. Which way may not be able to. Jacobsen would be OK but if I am not mistaken hasn't he won the last two years with all of McDermotts recruits still (all of the seniors).
 
HawkI101...you are correct that those recruits agreed to play for Mac, but Jake was the lead assistant who recruited them. After Jake was given the job, the first thing he did was to drive to each of those recruits home to convince them to stay committed to UNI, which they all did. So, in effect, they were his recruits and agreed to play for him at UNI.
 

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