even though stanley is good, would a double threat qb help?

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BEATHARDTEAMS

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i like the qb keeper call (wrong down to call it), but we have the wrong guy running that play....

i feel like it would help us move the ball offensively.................................a lot
 
It would mean revamping the offense. The o-line coach would know how to do it.
 
NEIChawk said:
How about a double threat coaching staff instead?
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this forum told me that its impossible to get a different coaching staff... that all the big money donors love KF like their son

so the only way I see us being competitive every game is to have a running QB.....

if we don't have enough time to pass to blitzing, what is the point of having a statue back there

its like watching the bears play with cutler... at least CJB can extend the play somewhat with this feet and he wasn't even a running qb, but his athleticism played a big part in helping us win games
 
trj said:
It would mean revamping the offense. The o-line coach would know how to do it.
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it would. but i do think stanley could run some read option. but you have to use it to make it something the defense has to worry about. stanley is going to be a very good qb....except he's at iowa.
 
There are varied reasons why the vast majority of college teams do not play with a drop back quarterback anymore, but the main one is simply the athletes of today are too good to allow a player to sit in a pocket and routinely throw the ball. The pros, shy of New England, have all gone away from this – and they will when Brady retires. Outside of Iowa and Wisconsin, I can’t even think of another college that does this – and Wisconsin’s QB is way more mobile than ours.

Stanley is a good kid, I like him, he seems to have many of the personal attributes I would like to see in an athlete, unfortunately he is not very mobile. Running him occasionally up the middle might get you a few yards but certainly is not ever going to become more than a very minor part of your offense. He has been somewhat effective in rolling out (which only ever happens with play action), but that is not the main BF playbook type of play.

A dual threat QB opens up a number of offensive options. And it helps out a poor offensive line as well. Iowa’s approach to QB’s limits itself so much it is ridiculous. You have to be a fool to think there is not a direct correlation between our overall offensive ranking (115+?) and our non-dual threat QB approach.

I do not understand why you recruit a kid like Boyle, whose primary asset was mobility in HS, and never get him on the field. No, I am not saying he is necessarily the answer, but trend that way and you might (with a new coaching staff) make Iowa football watchable again. It certainly isn’t right now.
 
Madman said:
There are varied reasons why the vast majority of college teams do not play with a drop back quarterback anymore, but the main one is simply the athletes of today are too good to allow a player to sit in a pocket and routinely throw the ball. The pros, shy of New England, have all gone away from this – and they will when Brady retires. Outside of Iowa and Wisconsin, I can’t even think of another college that does this – and Wisconsin’s QB is way more mobile than ours.

Stanley is a good kid, I like him, he seems to have many of the personal attributes I would like to see in an athlete, unfortunately he is not very mobile. Running him occasionally up the middle might get you a few yards but certainly is not ever going to become more than a very minor part of your offense. He has been somewhat effective in rolling out (which only ever happens with play action), but that is not the main BF playbook type of play.

A dual threat QB opens up a number of offensive options. And it helps out a poor offensive line as well. Iowa’s approach to QB’s limits itself so much it is ridiculous. You have to be a fool to think there is not a direct correlation between our overall offensive ranking (115+?) and our non-dual threat QB approach.

I do not understand why you recruit a kid like Boyle, whose primary asset was mobility in HS, and never get him on the field. No, I am not saying he is necessarily the answer, but trend that way and you might (with a new coaching staff) make Iowa football watchable again. It certainly isn’t right now.
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UCLA (Rosen), USC (Darnold), Purdue (Sindelar) UM. A number of programs still use drop back qb's.
 
Nate is a decent QB with a lot of upside but he's so 1-dimensional / prototypical drop back that he'll never develop without a good OL. He already has SO much to work on in that capacity (air balls, touch, target) that I struggle to believe he'd succeed in any sort of read-option.

Despite "making a play with your legs" is a Ken O'K credo, I can't remember an Iowa QB who is so deliberately reluctant to run as the play breaks down. Yes, we were spoiled by CJ, but, even Rudock occasionally knew when to run for the sticks. NS is so locked downfield and continues to extend the play that he becomes oblivious to all the green in front of him.
 
ArvadaHawk said:
it would. but i do think stanley could run some read option. but you have to use it to make it something the defense has to worry about. stanley is going to be a very good qb....except he's at iowa.
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Didn’t they experiment with some read option with Rudock?
 
STILLBUSTER said:
Nate is a decent QB with a lot of upside but he's so 1-dimensional / prototypical drop back that he'll never develop without a good OL. He already has SO much to work on in that capacity (air balls, touch, target) that I struggle to believe he'd succeed in any sort of read-option.

Despite "making a play with your legs" is a Ken O'K credo, I can't remember an Iowa QB who is so deliberately reluctant to run as the play breaks down. Yes, we were spoiled by CJ, but, even Rudock occasionally knew when to run for the sticks. NS is so locked downfield and continues to extend the play that he becomes oblivious to all the green in front of him.
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Early in the KF era they had those designed QB draws.
 
ArvadaHawk said:
UCLA (Rosen), USC (Darnold), Purdue (Sindelar) UM. A number of programs still use drop back qb's.
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You are correct about these. Both USC and UCLA arguably have superior talent to Iowa, making it easier to run such a system as your primary passing attack. But there are few nationwide, which, I guess, is my point. The vast majority of coaches choose not to use the drop back QB approach. There has to be a sound reason(s) for it.
 
Madman said:
You are correct about these. Both USC and UCLA arguably have superior talent to Iowa, making it easier to run such a system as your primary passing attack. But there are few nationwide, which, I guess, is my point. The vast majority of coaches choose not to use the drop back QB approach. There has to be a sound reason(s) for it.
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well, we probably differ a bit. I'm not saying UCLA and USC don't have better talent than Iowa. The real problem at Iowa is HOW that talent is used; or, not used.
 
The running dual threat qb does another thing and that is tire out the opposing defensive line, maybe not the linebackers, but the Dline. We have seen it happen against us before in 2010 prior to the coaches started rotating Dlinemen
 
First of all there is no talent at the skill positions. Name a team that cannot cover our receivers man to man. The game has changed as someone already said, unfortunately we have a coaching staff that thinks its 1999 still. You don't necessarily need a running qb, although it would be better, but you have to have a qb that is able to get out of the pocket and create plays. Stanley looks like he has concrete shoes on, combined with no pocket presence at all. He has a great arm, thats about it. Doesn't know when to put touch on the ball, and throws 90 mph no matter how close the receiver is. Running the read option with him would be laughable. In order to do that the qb has to be a threat to run, which Stanley is not.
 
KF has had Brad Banks, Drew Tate, Stanzi could run pretty well when needed, Vandeberg was pretty athletic but he never hardly ran, and CJB in 2015 even while being hurt he could run. They used the QB draw mainly with Banks, Tate and CJ but KF has had some good running qbs.

If you dont remember Banks' long qb draw against Purdue in 2002 then you dont remember a great play when the hawks were behind and needed it.

Point is Nate without the constant pressure and with good receivers looks like a very good passing Qb. They have some really good running backs this year. What they do not have is consistent run blocking and pass blocking. Teams have got tons of film on how to pack the box and blitz Iowa into submission.

I am not sure a running QB could help much this year.
 
uihawk82 said:
KF has had Brad Banks, Drew Tate, Stanzi could run pretty well when needed, Vandeberg was pretty athletic but he never hardly ran, and CJB in 2015 even while being hurt he could run. They used the QB draw mainly with Banks, Tate and CJ but KF has had some good running qbs.

If you dont remember Banks' long qb draw against Purdue in 2002 then you dont remember a great play when the hawks were behind and needed it.

Point is Nate without the constant pressure and with good receivers looks like a very good passing Qb. They have some really good running backs this year. What they do not have is consistent run blocking and pass blocking. Teams have got tons of film on how to pack the box and blitz Iowa into submission.

I am not sure a running QB could help much this year.
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rolling the pocket, speed options, Qb draw, hb option, or being able to take make a linebacker miss and take it up the gut for five yards,10-12 yards if he is athletic would be a big help

You can add that to what we're doing now and it would help out our O tremendously. Athletic Qbs are not that hard to come by honestly.

Terrell Pryor was a horrible QB with horrible accuracy and horrible arm and he did ok. Dual threat is what we need at this point
 
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