Early Iowa-ISU Line

JonDMiller

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Some early season football point spread are out, and Ken Miller of KXNO tweeted earlier this week that Iowa has been installed as a 7.5 point favorite by one of the Vegas bookmakers for this year's Cy-Hawk Rivalry game.

Not that such a number has anything to do with what is going to take place on the field, which history has certainly shown.

First off, I don't wager on games. Not that I have some moral objection to people making friendly wagers, however there are people that have a sickness associated with gambling and put their families at risk with their behavior.

For me, point spreads are fun part of the game...I like to make predictions based off point spreads, as it's a form of competition...so with that caveat out of the way, I will continue.

Here are point spreads I have found related to the Iowa-Iowa State game going back to 1998, the year that Iowa State snapped a 15-game Iowa winning streak in the series and made it a rivalry:

2010: Iowa -13.5
2009: Iowa -6
2008: Iowa -13
2007: Iowa -17
2006: Iowa -13
2005: Iowa -9
2004: Iowa -23
2003: Iowa -4
2002: Iowa -2
2001: Iowa -5
2000: Iowa +2
1999: Iowa +3
1998 Iowa -28

ISU has been the overwhelming 'beat your man' pick against the number in this series, covering the spread in 10 of the last 13 meetings. The Hawks have some momentum here, easily covering the spread in their last two meetings as Kirk Ferentz's squad has beaten Paul Rhoads' Cylones by a combined 70-10, and ISU hasn't scored a touchdown against Iowa's first or second team defense since 2006.

Given Iowa State's numerous question marks on offense heading into the 2011 season, multiple touchdowns seem a challenge for this year, too...However, Iowa's biggest unknowns for 2011 are mostly on the defensive side.

Since 1998, Iowa is 6-7 straight up against ISU. You can see the history and scores of the series since 1998 at this link.

ISU got 28 points in 1998 and beat Iowa 27-9.

The 2004 line was also quite different than the final score. Iowa was a 23 point favorite and won 17-10. In 2005, the Hawks came into Ames as a 9 point favorite and lost 23-3.

Right now, if I were forced to make a point spread pick on this year's game between the teams, I'd pick Iowa to cover the 7.5.

I wonder how Vegas has fared on this game through the years, however? I would guess a number of Hawkeye fans that like to make plays on this game have gone against their heart and put their green down on the Clones, cheering for an Iowa win but collecting at the gate. On the other side, I am guessing more than a few Cyclone fans who like to put action down on games have fared real well with this series through the years...

Which is why I just don't put money down on games...even if there were a legal Sports Book at Prairie Meadows, I don't think I'd do it because so much emotion goes into this game that certain reliable factors can get caught up in the emotional wash, especially when the game is at Jack Trice, which it is this year.
 
same for me on the betting jon. i can't bet with my head, my emotions get too into it and i usually do poorly and over-evaluate my team and get burned in the end.
 
same for me on the betting jon. i can't bet with my head, my emotions get too into it and i usually do poorly and over-evaluate my team and get burned in the end.

If I'm worried about Iowa getting upset I usually just make a small play on the opponents money line. That way I make money if Iowa loses and if they win, I just consider it a victory tax.
 
Except for 2003 and 2009 Jack Trice has been Iowa's little house of horrors. I don't trust any line when we play them in Ames. In fact, anytime Iowa plays ISU in Ames the line should be set as a "pick 'em".
 
That is definitely and interesting line. You have to figure ISU is getting a few points for being at home....which means the oddsmakers only think Iowa is 3 or 4 points better than ISU. I would take Iowa -7.5.
 
That is definitely and interesting line. You have to figure ISU is getting a few points for being at home....which means the oddsmakers only think Iowa is 3 or 4 points better than ISU. I would take Iowa -7.5.

You have it backwards. If they were playing on a neutral field Iowa would probably be 10 or 11 point favorites. Since it's at Jack Trice ISU gets a few bonus points therefore Iowa only favored by 7.5.
 
You have it backwards. If they were playing on a neutral field Iowa would probably be 10 or 11 point favorites. Since it's at Jack Trice ISU gets a few bonus points therefore Iowa only favored by 7.5.



You are right....I completely miss spoke on that. I guess it is the off season so my football wagering skills are a little rusty. That being said, Im still taking the hawks -7.5. :)
 
I expect that we'll see a much more defensive game than what we're used to...but rivalry games are notoriously unpredictable so who knows. The point spread seems about right given the past season and what each team is bringing back.
 
I think Miller & Brinson on KXNO said ISU at home was only worth 2 points. So on neutral field the spread would be 9.5
 
Except for 2003 and 2009 Jack Trice has been Iowa's little house of horrors. I don't trust any line when we play them in Ames. In fact, anytime Iowa plays ISU in Ames the line should be set as a "pick 'em".

And there is a reason for this, the other years Iowa has went to Ames under KF (99,01,05,07) look at the final records of those Iowa teams and compare it to the 03 and 09 teams.

Other than 05 the teams just haven't been that good and that 05 ISU team was one of the best they have had there in a while even though the record doesn't show it.
 
I think Miller & Brinson on KXNO said ISU at home was only worth 2 points. So on neutral field the spread would be 9.5

Miller and Brinson actually said Jack Trice was a 3.5-4.0 point factor, except at the end of the seasons when ISU was out of it and it went down to just a 3.0-3.5.

I would assume that the increased factor is because Jack Trice is one of the windiest stadiums in the country.
 
Miller and Brinson actually said Jack Trice was a 3.5-4.0 point factor, except at the end of the seasons when ISU was out of it and it went down to just a 3.0-3.5.

I would assume that the increased factor is because Jack Trice is one of the windiest stadiums in the country.

That has to be it, forget about the fact that ISU usually has about 15,000 less for November games compared to September games when there is nothing to play for anymore.
 
Miller and Brinson actually said Jack Trice was a 3.5-4.0 point factor, except at the end of the seasons when ISU was out of it and it went down to just a 3.0-3.5.

I would assume that the increased factor is because Jack Trice is one of the windiest stadiums in the country.

I think the Stadium is, not the Iowa game. At least that is how i understood it.
 
Yeah, a lot can happen between now and September. Starting about 10 years ago, I now consider this game even any time these two teams play. Toss out the records, the expectations, etc., because you never know what will take place on the field. That being said, I still think we kick their ***&& this year ... :)
 
That has to be it, forget about the fact that ISU usually has about 15,000 less for November games compared to September games when there is nothing to play for anymore.

Uhh I don't know what to say other than that is exactly what I said.....

The only thing I can think that you missed there was that you thought I was saying the stadiums point spread effect goes down as the season goes on because of the wind. That's now what I said.

The wind is the reason the point spread effect is at 4 in the first place instead of the usual 3.

I think the Stadium is, not the Iowa game. At least that is how i understood it.

And I honestly have no idea what you are saying.
 
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