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ArizonaHawkeye88

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Our 6 is equal to or better than any SEC school.

Alabama - 5
Arkansas -3
Auburn - 4
Florida - 4
Georgia - 6
Kentucky - 1
LSU - 6
Mississippi- 1
Miss. St. - 4
So Carolina-2
Tenn. - 2
Vandy - 0
 
And yet the SEC schools have how many national titles?

If our talent is as good as some would like to think then maybe its a coaching issue rather than a recruiting issue.
 
LSU was pretty much the cut and dry team that won the National Title. Florida was pretty much the team that won the National Title. We beat Jamarcus Russell and Matt Flynn.
 
hawkfan1319 said:
LSU was pretty much the cut and dry team that won the National Title. Florida was pretty much the team that won the National Title. We beat Jamarcus Russell and Matt Flynn.
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We did NOT beat any team in the national title game. Also IIRC Russell and Flynn were Freshman the year we beat them?
 
hawkfan2679 said:
I think Marcus Randall started at QB for LSU that day. Russell came on late and tore us up a little bit...
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And we still did Not play them for a national title.

You're telling me, that you think we would have beaten

Florida 2006 when we were 6-7
LSU 2007 when we were 6-6
Florida 2008 when we were 9-4
Bama 2009 when we were 11-2
Auburn 2010 when we were 8-5.

The only year you could HONESTLY say we would have been able to win would have been in 2009. Other than that we would not have beaten any of those SEC teams.
 
hawkeye12345 said:
And yet the SEC schools have how many national titles?

If our talent is as good as some would like to think then maybe its a coaching issue rather than a recruiting issue.
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Yes, the fact that we take mid-tier recruiting classes and turn them into NFL players reflects poorly on our coaching staff. That makes a lot of sense.

If you look at the last 10+ national champions, they've all had a dynamic offensive player that completely changes the way the game is played. Iowa just hasn't had a guy of that caliber during Ferentz's tenure. I'm not going to argue that it is completely necessary to have a guy like that to win a national title, but it sure gives you a huge margin for error. Look at how often Auburn looked like crap this year only to get bailed out by Cam Newton.

Looking at the BCS era, the team that comes the closest to Iowa's approach to the game and skill level was Saban's 2004 LSU team. Conservative offense, great running game, dominant defense, etc. If Iowa ever wins a national title I'm sure that will be the blueprint. Other than that '04 LSU team (which was not a consensus national champion), the last decade of titles has gone like this: Newton, Mark Ingram/Julio Jones, Tebow, Jamarcus Russell, Tebow/Harvin, Vince Young, Leinart/Bush, Maurice Clarrett/Michael Jenkins. The 2001 Miami team had Clinton Portis, Andrea Johnson, and Jeremy Shockey.

I'm not making excuses for last season-- there is no excuse for that. But I don't think you can look at Iowa's great draft results and argue that we must be underperforming on a national stage, because the reality is that we've had exactly one offensive skill player drafted in the first round during the Ferentz era (Dallas Clark), and it takes elite offensive skill players to contend for national titles in today's college game.
 
OK I Willl rephrase ....we beat the exact younger molds of the National Title teams in prior lesser bowl games that weren't the National Title ...lol god guys did I really have to post this ...did you actually think I thought it was a National Title Capital one and Outback Bowl game ? haha
 
It is actually pretty simple to see why we don't normally compete for national titles (if looking only at the number of draft picks we produce).

Stop looking at how many guys we had drafted, 6 this year, and look at the the rest of the 16 guys that start (offense + defense). Man for man our 16 other starters are probably, talent wise, out manned by the other players from the traditional teams which usually contend for the national title. Sure there are individual exceptions, but I'm talking average grade for the other 16 starters (not to mention special teams).

Also, you have to remember we are not getting 6 guys drafted in the first 3-4 rounds. All but one of our guys went in the 4th round or later. For anyone to criticize KF for "underachieving" with last year's team because we had 6 draft picks in this year's draft isn't looking at the whole picture.

Sure you can rag on KF for not bringing in annual top 10 or top 5 recruiting classes (when have we ever consistently recruited like that? I know, I'm an apologist). If you look at how he and the Iowa program in general develop players I personally don't see much room to *****. But that's just me.
 
ArizonaHawkeye88 said:
KF is 3 - 1 against SEC , should have been 4 - 0.
I say bring on all challengers.
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Well if you're going to play shoulda coulda... then you also need to count the LSU game as a shoulda lost considering the miserable clock management that still hasn't been fixed.

We are 3-1 against the SEC... this is true. However, one of those wins came against an LSU team with a lame duck coach, one of those wins came against a 7-5 South Carolina team that had a freshman QB and were missing countless players to academic and or other suspensions.

Either way a win is a win, and I'd say Iowa has definitely held their own against SEC teams.

But to use Iowa's bowl record as some sort of argument trying to say Iowa is as good as the top teams in the SEC or that the Big 10 compares to the SEC is ridiculous.

The SEC has absolutely dominated the Big 10 over the last 10 years in terms of recruiting and national championships. The Big 10 might match up decently with the #3 and #4 teams from the SEC each year (hence our record vs the SEC in Outback and Cap One Bowls), but the top 2 teams in the SEC are consistently head and shoulders superior to the Big 10's top 2 teams.

Furthermore, had Iowa been in the SEC over the last decade I'm confident in saying they'd have ZERO conference titles and ZERO BCS appearances.
 
Iowa would be UK if they were in the SEC. No doubt about that. You can eek out a win against our 4th place team a few times, but if you had to play (and recruit against) the best of the best, you would be praying for one of your Northwestern mercy killings.
 
I think Iowa could have hung tough with Alabama in 2009. They were a power running team which Iowa could handle that season. I'm not sure if Iowa would have been able to score any points though.

Outside of that, I don't think Iowa would have handled those SEC NC teams.

I'll give them credit, they have done well against the SEC teams. But all came in mid-level bowls, not in BCS bowls in which they would face on of the top 2 teams in the SEC.
 
MultipleDundieAwardWinner said:
Iowa would be UK if they were in the SEC. No doubt about that. You can eek out a win against our 4th place team a few times, but if you had to play (and recruit against) the best of the best, you would be praying for one of your Northwestern mercy killings.
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Look bud, facts are facts. Iowa is 3-1 against the SEC under Ferentz. Therefore Iowa > SEC. Argument over.
 
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