does KF finally play strengths?

B

BergHawk7

Well-Known Member
we all saw what this team can do when KF lets them play what theyr good at (ex. the pitt game, end of NEB game with our only TD) vberg has proven that he is better at running the spread, and now that we dont have a RB, we have to play the spread and pass pass pass.

OU did very poor against teams that ran the spread and passed more, TTech, Baylor, OKST. so will KF finally play his players strengths and match it up against OUs weakness? or does KF play the same old style with canzeri or whoever?
 
BergHawk7 said:
we all saw what this team can do when KF lets them play what theyr good at (ex. the pitt game, end of NEB game with our only TD) vberg has proven that he is better at running the spread, and now that we dont have a RB, we have to play the spread and pass pass pass.

OU did very poor against teams that ran the spread and passed more, TTech, Baylor, OKST. so will KF finally play his players strengths and match it up against OUs weakness? or does KF play the same old style with canzeri or whoever?
Click to expand...


You just answered your previous question.
 
BergHawk7 said:
we all saw what this team can do when KF lets them play what theyr good at (ex. the pitt game, end of NEB game with our only TD) vberg has proven that he is better at running the spread, and now that we dont have a RB, we have to play the spread and pass pass pass.

OU did very poor against teams that ran the spread and passed more, TTech, Baylor, OKST. so will KF finally play his players strengths and match it up against OUs weakness? or does KF play the same old style with canzeri or whoever?
Click to expand...


Good call……it really is remarkable that he has won so many games, by NOT playing to his strengths. In fact it is REALLY shocking he has developed so much talent by not playing to “theirâ€￾ strengths.

Just think what we could do with someone who did……

This would be my plan, in lieu of leading the league ion dropped passes. I’d go shotgun, empty every snap and throw a ton. That we will give OU a shot to get lots of snaps and really see how much that D of ours really did improve. They should let me coach, I know how to play to our strengths, that idiot KF doesn’t know anything.

Chad
 
cmhawks99 said:
BergHawk7 said:
we all saw what this team can do when KF lets them play what theyr good at (ex. the pitt game, end of NEB game with our only TD) vberg has proven that he is better at running the spread, and now that we dont have a RB, we have to play the spread and pass pass pass. OU did very poor against teams that ran the spread and passed more, TTech, Baylor, OKST. so will KF finally play his players strengths and match it up against OUs weakness? or does KF play the same old style with canzeri or whoever?
Click to expand...
Good call��it really is remarkable that he has won so many games, by NOT playing to his strengths. In fact it is REALLY shocking he has developed so much talent by not playing to �their� strengths. Just think what we could do with someone who did�� This would be my plan, in lieu of leading the league ion dropped passes. I�d go shotgun, empty every snap and throw a ton. That we will give OU a shot to get lots of snaps and really see how much that D of ours really did improve. They should let me coach, I know how to play to our strengths, that idiot KF doesn�t know anything. Chad
Click to expand...

im talking about this year, we play better when we run the spread, oh and look at 2004 we didnt have a RB and we passed more, again in 2009 didnt have a solid running game, passed more, won more.
 
SheagleHawk said:
BergHawk7 said:
we all saw what this team can do when KF lets them play what theyr good at (ex. the pitt game, end of NEB game with our only TD) vberg has proven that he is better at running the spread, and now that we dont have a RB, we have to play the spread and pass pass pass. OU did very poor against teams that ran the spread and passed more, TTech, Baylor, OKST. so will KF finally play his players strengths and match it up against OUs weakness? or does KF play the same old style with canzeri or whoever?
Click to expand...
You just answered your previous question.
Click to expand...

its a question to discuss, you dont want to give your input then dont comment
 
OU is down to one running back and without 2 of their top 3 receivers. Maybe we should make it really interesting and see if they can just play 8 man football in the bowl game.
 
BergHawk7 said:
im talking about this year, we play better when we run the spread, oh and look at 2004 we didnt have a RB and we passed more, again in 2009 didnt have a solid running game, passed more, won more.
Click to expand...



Well you’d think, but this is more of that perspective stuff……

In 2004 when it seemed Drew hucked it all over, he did throw it 384 times, but we did still run it 318. Great play calling by KOK that year without a doubt, just don’t tell Iowa fans.

In 2009 it was 392 pass to 371 and if you ask me we had a pretty solid running game all things considered.

In 2011 we threw it 367 times and ran it 328……..

So in truth when we had zero scholarship Rb’s in 2004 we still ran it 318 (stats did NOT count QB’s runs or sacks by the way)

And in 2009 vs 2011, not worth breaking down the diff, so in short, not sure what you are saying…

Chad
 
Last edited:
cmhawks99 said:
Good call……it really is remarkable that he has won so many games, by NOT playing to his strengths. In fact it is REALLY shocking he has developed so much talent by not playing to “theirâ€￾ strengths.

Just think what we could do with someone who did……

This would be my plan, in lieu of leading the league ion dropped passes. I’d go shotgun, empty every snap and throw a ton. That we will give OU a shot to get lots of snaps and really see how much that D of ours really did improve. They should let me coach, I know how to play to our strengths, that idiot KF doesn’t know anything.

Chad
Click to expand...

Angry Chad
 
cmhawks99 said:
BergHawk7 said:
im talking about this year, we play better when we run the spread, oh and look at 2004 we didnt have a RB and we passed more, again in 2009 didnt have a solid running game, passed more, won more.
Click to expand...
Well you�d think, but this is more of that perspective stuff�� In 2004 when it seemed Drew hucked it all over, he did throw it 384 times, but we did still ran it 318. Great play calling by KOK that year without a doubt, just don�t tell Iowa fans. In 2009 it was 392 pass to 371 and if you ask me we had a pretty solid running game all things considered. In 2011 we threw it 367 times and ran it 328��.. So in truth when we had zero scholarship Rb�s in 2004 we still ran it 318 (stats did NOT count QB�s runs or sacks by the way) And in 2009 vs 2011, not worth breaking down the diff, so in short, not sure what you are saying� Chad
Click to expand...

um ok how many rushing yards and tds did iowa have in 04 compared to passing? thats what im talking about, tate passed more and we won more cuz of that. but im talking about this years strength is the passing game.
 
cmhawks99 said:
Well you’d think, but this is more of that perspective stuff……

In 2004 when it seemed Drew hucked it all over, he did throw it 384 times, but we did still ran it 318. Great play calling by KOK that year without a doubt, just don’t tell Iowa fans.
Click to expand...

We were a little more pass heavy than these stats might suggest...Tate did have almost 90 rushing attempts that year (not included in the 318, as you mentioned). There were a few, but not that many designed runs for him that season, so you can probably put quite a few more passing attempts on there that turned into scramble/sack situations.

I think JVB looks pretty comfortable out of the gun, but he's not much of a running threat and that isn't going to allow us to keep the defense very honest. The other thing that is going to happen if we spread it out is that Venables (is he still the Sooner DC?) is going to, or at least should, blitz the bejesus out of us. Another caveat of giving your backups almost no meaningful reps is that the pass protection, when facing real bullets during game action, might suffer a bit.
 
I don't think we will see a lot of spread or empty sets. Iowa can exploit Oklahoma just fine with the regular sets and DeAndre Johnson is a capable tailback. My guess is that whoever is asked to fill Cokers shoes, though is asked to literally fill his shoes- he will get 90% of the snaps whether it is Johnson, Canzeri, Bullock or White.
 
BergHawk7 said:
um ok how many rushing yards and tds did iowa have in 04 compared to passing? thats what im talking about, tate passed more and we won more cuz of that. but im talking about this years strength is the passing game.
Click to expand...


Ur kidding right.......now it is JUST 2004 and now we are talking TD's

Chad
 
spudhawk said:
I don't think we will see a lot of spread or empty sets. Iowa can exploit Oklahoma just fine with the regular sets and DeAndre Johnson is a capable tailback. My guess is that whoever is asked to fill Cokers shoes, though is asked to literally fill his shoes- he will get 90% of the snaps whether it is Johnson, Canzeri, Bullock or White.
Click to expand...


You nailed it……I like Marcus Coker very much. And it is sad to see him do something to be suspended for. But just as Iowa routinely seems to have TB problems they just as routinely put someone back there who can run.

It’s almost eerie on both accounts. Also I have never seen it said McCall is still out. In fact KF clearly said he’d decide later and then nothing ever was said.

Chad
 
hawkfan2679 said:
We were a little more pass heavy than these stats might suggest...Tate did have almost 90 rushing attempts that year (not included in the 318, as you mentioned). There were a few, but not that many designed runs for him that season, so you can probably put quite a few more passing attempts on there that turned into scramble/sack situations.

I think JVB looks pretty comfortable out of the gun, but he's not much of a running threat and that isn't going to allow us to keep the defense very honest. The other thing that is going to happen if we spread it out is that Venables (is he still the Sooner DC?) is going to, or at least should, blitz the bejesus out of us. Another caveat of giving your backups almost no meaningful reps is that the pass protection, when facing real bullets during game action, might suffer a bit.
Click to expand...


That is very true and although we don’t always agree I really like your style and assessment skills. With that said Ricky and Vandy both had multiple runs after the fact that most assuredly weren’t designed runs. Which you pointed out already because neither were great running threats.

The thing about the significant snaps thing I am not with you on is this…….KF over the years has always played multiple Rbers. But for some reason this year things didn’t click, so I’m not really prepared to crucify him over it….Furthermore it’s been said, Canzeri and Bullock fought injuries all year, though obviously they did try them and McCall as far as I’m concerned as evidenced by his immediate fumble (easy one I might ***) and suspension clearly wasn’t ready to come back and Johnson I don’t know what to think.

Chad
 
Last edited:
You must log in or register to reply here.

Latest posts

Share this page

Top