DMR: Iowa's Lack of Transparency Serves No One
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twinlaker
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nice opinion piece...
"At Iowa, it seems the cloak of silence falls fastest, hardest and most comprehensively when the public craves information most. If it’s not a personnel matter or ongoing internal investigation, it’s HIPAA or FERPA or any other array of alphabet-soup acts. It’s always something.
Granted, all those protections exist for a reason. The intent, though, wasn’t for those to be used as all-encompassing blankets every time a situation threatens to cause public-relations consternation at a public institution."
Yep, they sure do...
"At Iowa, it seems the cloak of silence falls fastest, hardest and most comprehensively when the public craves information most. If it’s not a personnel matter or ongoing internal investigation, it’s HIPAA or FERPA or any other array of alphabet-soup acts. It’s always something.
Granted, all those protections exist for a reason. The intent, though, wasn’t for those to be used as all-encompassing blankets every time a situation threatens to cause public-relations consternation at a public institution."
Yep, they sure do...
Here is the deal, breaking Iowa's sexual harassment code does not mean someone broke the law. It is cause for dismissal, but not arrest.
Sexual assault is. However, that would require some evidence to convict. Seriously, this guy sounds like a creepy creeperson. But, I think people are overreacting. This is not Sandusky, Fine, or the lot, at least not that we know.
But seriously JON this is NOT a well-written article. This guy is basically saying he should have a right to trample over federal law. A well-written article would have actually discussed those laws in-depth and provided some warrants as to why the laws are there. He just brushes them off as nuisances.
Jon, I know you don't consider yourself a journalist, but I am pretty sure you have taken a journalistic ethics course. Criticizing an uncooperative source for adhering to federal law is almost as bad a citing "out there," or "some people say" as a source.
Sexual assault is. However, that would require some evidence to convict. Seriously, this guy sounds like a creepy creeperson. But, I think people are overreacting. This is not Sandusky, Fine, or the lot, at least not that we know.
But seriously JON this is NOT a well-written article. This guy is basically saying he should have a right to trample over federal law. A well-written article would have actually discussed those laws in-depth and provided some warrants as to why the laws are there. He just brushes them off as nuisances.
Jon, I know you don't consider yourself a journalist, but I am pretty sure you have taken a journalistic ethics course. Criticizing an uncooperative source for adhering to federal law is almost as bad a citing "out there," or "some people say" as a source.
hawkdrummer1
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irrelevant. Agenda comes before ethics. Especially for a major newspaper. But that's old news...
If federal laws are not conducive to the ever quickening news cycle, perhaps the media need to change the way they cover stuff. So sorry to inconvenience you with things like confidentiality.
im sure mr miller would appreciate it if the register complied with requests for his HR file
im sure mr miller would appreciate it if the register complied with requests for his HR file
aaronzuriel
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Ya think? Guess what boys and girls this crap, this corruption this kind of cover-up goes on every where. Too bad for Ferentz and some horrible timing.
It be human nature, the human condition and it has nothing to do with the IOWA football program. Please do not pile on Ferentz.
On the other hand if we really knew what was going on and the powers to be were transparent... what would we do? What would happen?
It be human nature, the human condition and it has nothing to do with the IOWA football program. Please do not pile on Ferentz.
On the other hand if we really knew what was going on and the powers to be were transparent... what would we do? What would happen?
aaronzuriel
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plus 1 and still wonder why Ferentz should be held responsible and/or criticized for this.
tm3308
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While this is all true, he also addresses that.
Iowa, just like most schools, routinely releases information if it's positive (or at least not negative). Only when it could cause PR fallout do they clam up. Which is a natural response, but it's not right.
tm3308
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If you were paying attention, you'd notice Ferentz wasn't ever held responsible or criticized for any of this. That was never what the reporter was getting at.
Golfer
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Except the leaked document alleges that the person, I guess that is what you would call him, fondled a student's genitals.
That is a crime if it occurred. A serious one as he is in a position of authority.
There had better be a criminal investigation going on, or something is very, very wrong at the U of I.
I'm hoping since Sally Mason will not answer the question about whether she turned this over to the ICPD, that there is an ongoing investigation.
That is a crime if it occurred. A serious one as he is in a position of authority.
There had better be a criminal investigation going on, or something is very, very wrong at the U of I.
I'm hoping since Sally Mason will not answer the question about whether she turned this over to the ICPD, that there is an ongoing investigation.
kmajhawk
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I'm sure some preists, youth sports coaches and other perverts would have loved to hide behind HIPAA, FERPA and any other alphabet soup you want to toss up there, too.
The fact is that the universities have worked hard to craft a nifty little protective shell around themselves through over-arching interpretations of what the rules were intended to protect from exposure so they can cleanly hide and ignore these kinds of things. But the fact is the secrecy protects no one ... other than the perpetrators.
Too bad more journalists and other organizations aren't willing to try to smash those shells when appropriate.
PJHawk
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Mason declined to tell the Register whether concerns regarding Gray have been forwarded to law enforcement or other oversight groups, such as the Big Ten Conference or NCAA. The president also refused to explain why answers to those types of questions would potentially create personnel issue problems.
Without getting into the details of this case doesn't it seem to make sense that Iowa could respond to whether they had "forwarded to law enforcement or other oversight groups, such as the Big Ten Conference or NCAA."?
I ask that question in light of the PSU scandal. It's not hard to imagine a completely different outcome if PSU officials had just been held accountable on that one aspect of oversight.
Without getting into the details of this case doesn't it seem to make sense that Iowa could respond to whether they had "forwarded to law enforcement or other oversight groups, such as the Big Ten Conference or NCAA."?
I ask that question in light of the PSU scandal. It's not hard to imagine a completely different outcome if PSU officials had just been held accountable on that one aspect of oversight.
Section136
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Nice troll. Too bad nobody bit at it.
kmajhawk
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I doubt it and you are clearly trolling.
But the longer Sally Mason and Gary Barta leave this hanging out there, the more people are going to associate this with Sandusky and the Penn State cover up.
Cover3
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Agree. Sandusky was a high-profile guy since at least the 1987 Fiesta Bowl, maybe before. Gray would have had to be extraordinarily well-connected for the University admin to risk keeping him around the way PSU did with Sandusky.
BUT
Even a slim possibility or extraordinary circumstance may be inferred by the public from silence in the wake of the PSU scandal.
GhostofBTT
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All of these Gray stories seem to keep getting posted by JDM. Very, very few of them have appeared from other posters. What is your fervent interest in this story Jon? I have this feeling that you're holding something back for just the right time, but want to keep this in the forefront of thought.
GhostofBTT
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You keep saying this, like you're implying the school is attempting to cover up sexual assault. If that's what you think, why don't you come out and say it?
