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SpecialKHawk

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The loss yesterday was what we needed to confirm so many of the feelings and insecurities we have about our program.

Something from game 1 has not felt right. The players body language has been bad and it stems from our head coach. His decision making is so bad that he snuffs the life out of the entire program.

Everything with KF is about minimizing mistakes and punishing most players for making them (except for the handful of his favorites). There is zero emphasis on making plays. A fumble or missed block by a young player and that player exits never to be seen again. Instead KF emphasizes players who have little ability to do anything but views that as safe. The end result we cannot score or do anything with the ball.

If you have been involved with a sports team as many have you know that one of the biggest aspects of dissention is when the team doubts the head coach. When players look at the decision making on who is playing, accountability and strategy and they think it is a joke. Pretty soon guys stop playing hard even the good players and things go south. This team looks like a team of dissention.
There is no way to a man that they believe in KF.

There is no real accountability. The best players as in all 22 do not see the field. In fact if a player shows any moxy or emotion after making a play that player will not play.

I could not have been anymore stunned yesterday that our personnel packages consistently emphasized Bullock, Vandenberg, Hillyer, etc. We saw little of guys that actually can make something happen in Canzeri, Daniels, Willies and Powell.

We all knew that the likelihood of ever seeing CJ again was over barring injury to Jake because he looked great last week. Think about this.... CJ in one series all year engineers a TD drive including a 38 yard TD pass (yes over turned). One series never to be heard of again. Do you think the players do not know what is going on? They know who is better than who and who should be playing. This always ends in dissention when the best guys do not see the field.
 
Great points.

Iowa never exploits mis-matches the way they should. T. Smith, and you could see it in his emotions, wanted the damn ball and he is a guy that can win games for you. Maybe Willies is one of those guys, too. Iowa refuses to get it to the playmakers, and 0 second half TDs is the result.

The excuse that we don't have playmakers is gone. This group of WRs, if playing for ISU, would've shredded Iowa.

I have never coached football, but I feel like I could figure out a gameplan to beat Iowa at this point. It's really that predictable. Credit to ISU. I would have our slow LBs chasing receivers all day. I'd force Rudock to beat you over the top. Easy.
 
SpecialKHawk said:
The loss yesterday was what we needed to confirm so many of the feelings and insecurities we have about our program.

Something from game 1 has not felt right. The players body language has been bad and it stems from our head coach. His decision making is so bad that he snuffs the life out of the entire program.

Everything with KF is about minimizing mistakes and punishing most players for making them (except for the handful of his favorites). There is zero emphasis on making plays. A fumble or missed block by a young player and that player exits never to be seen again. Instead KF emphasizes players who have little ability to do anything but views that as safe. The end result we cannot score or do anything with the ball.

If you have been involved with a sports team as many have you know that one of the biggest aspects of dissention is when the team doubts the head coach. When players look at the decision making on who is playing, accountability and strategy and they think it is a joke. Pretty soon guys stop playing hard even the good players and things go south. This team looks like a team of dissention.
There is no way to a man that they believe in KF.

There is no real accountability. The best players as in all 22 do not see the field. In fact if a player shows any moxy or emotion after making a play that player will not play.

I could not have been anymore stunned yesterday that our personnel packages consistently emphasized Bullock, Vandenberg, Hillyer, etc. We saw little of guys that actually can make something happen in Canzeri, Daniels, Willies and Powell.

We all knew that the likelihood of ever seeing CJ again was over barring injury to Jake because he looked great last week. Think about this.... CJ in one series all year engineers a TD drive including a 38 yard TD pass (yes over turned). One series never to be heard of again. Do you think the players do not know what is going on? They know who is better than who and who should be playing. This always ends in dissention when the best guys do not see the field.
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Kirk is probably kicking himself for allowing CJ in the game because now he has dreaded QB controversy.
 
SpecialKHawk said:
The loss yesterday was what we needed to confirm so many of the feelings and insecurities we have about our program.

Something from game 1 has not felt right. The players body language has been bad and it stems from our head coach. His decision making is so bad that he snuffs the life out of the entire program.

Everything with KF is about minimizing mistakes and punishing most players for making them (except for the handful of his favorites). There is zero emphasis on making plays. A fumble or missed block by a young player and that player exits never to be seen again. Instead KF emphasizes players who have little ability to do anything but views that as safe. The end result we cannot score or do anything with the ball.

If you have been involved with a sports team as many have you know that one of the biggest aspects of dissention is when the team doubts the head coach. When players look at the decision making on who is playing, accountability and strategy and they think it is a joke. Pretty soon guys stop playing hard even the good players and things go south. This team looks like a team of dissention.
There is no way to a man that they believe in KF.

There is no real accountability. The best players as in all 22 do not see the field. In fact if a player shows any moxy or emotion after making a play that player will not play.

I could not have been anymore stunned yesterday that our personnel packages consistently emphasized Bullock, Vandenberg, Hillyer, etc. We saw little of guys that actually can make something happen in Canzeri, Daniels, Willies and Powell.

We all knew that the likelihood of ever seeing CJ again was over barring injury to Jake because he looked great last week. Think about this.... CJ in one series all year engineers a TD drive including a 38 yard TD pass (yes over turned). One series never to be heard of again. Do you think the players do not know what is going on? They know who is better than who and who should be playing. This always ends in dissention when the best guys do not see the field.
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At the bar last night thinking....how many upsets has KF had in his years. Upsets meaning beating someone that nobody thought you had a shot at. Compare that with the number of bad losses. Losing to teams that you should have manhandled. UNI a few years ago when we block two consecutive field goals could be one of those bad losses too. UNI should have won this year. I don't know but my guess is that the number of bad losses far outnumber the upsets. When you play vanilla base mediocre football, that is what you get. Blah. Mediocre programs hope for upsets.
 
I posted this elsewhere, but when #90 for Iowa State just leveled Jake Rudock,
(a) No one from the Iowa team got in #90 face, and, worse yet,
(b) No one from the Iowa team helped Jake Rudock get up.
(c) Remember the sideline reporter from the Ball State saying that Jake had no reaction on the sidelines, after CJ threw that overturned TD?!

This looks like an offense that doesn't gel, nor doesn't get along.
 
Scooby said:
I posted this elsewhere, but when #90 for Iowa State just leveled Jake Rudock,
(a) No one from the Iowa team got in #90 face, and, worse yet,
(b) No one from the Iowa team helped Jake Rudock get up.
(c) Remember the sideline reporter from the Ball State saying that Jake had no reaction on the sidelines, after CJ threw that overturned TD?!

This looks like an offense that doesn't gel, nor doesn't get along.
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All good points and it looks like they same chemistry as the Basketball team from last year.
 
Scooby said:
I posted this elsewhere, but when #90 for Iowa State just leveled Jake Rudock,
(a) No one from the Iowa team got in #90 face, and, worse yet,
(b) No one from the Iowa team helped Jake Rudock get up.
(c) Remember the sideline reporter from the Ball State saying that Jake had no reaction on the sidelines, after CJ threw that overturned TD?!

This looks like an offense that doesn't gel, nor doesn't get along.
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To be fair, Weisman looked like he wanted to get into #90's face, but the ref was right there. He didn't like the hit though. It easily could have blown a knee out.
 
Scooby said:
I posted this elsewhere, but when #90 for Iowa State just leveled Jake Rudock,
(a) No one from the Iowa team got in #90 face, and, worse yet,
(b) No one from the Iowa team helped Jake Rudock get up.
(c) Remember the sideline reporter from the Ball State saying that Jake had no reaction on the sidelines, after CJ threw that overturned TD?!

This looks like an offense that doesn't gel, nor doesn't get along.
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There is a video from this week on Hawkcentral where CJ is asked about Rudocks performance and comeback against ball state. CJ said something along the line of "he got the job done." Could tell he thought otherwise.
 
Scooby said:
I posted this elsewhere, but when #90 for Iowa State just leveled Jake Rudock,
(a) No one from the Iowa team got in #90 face, and, worse yet,
(b) No one from the Iowa team helped Jake Rudock get up.
(c) Remember the sideline reporter from the Ball State saying that Jake had no reaction on the sidelines, after CJ threw that overturned TD?!

This looks like an offense that doesn't gel, nor doesn't get along.
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Yes.
 
ForeverHawk said:
To be fair, Weisman looked like he wanted to get into #90's face, but the ref was right there. He didn't like the hit though. It easily could have blown a knee out.
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He's military. This would be expected. The reaction of everyone else on offense is troubling to me. The body language of Willies and Powell specifically, even last season, is revealing.
 
It's a baaaaaaaad look all around. From the coaches to the players. I said it a week ago the offense looked like an offense should the one series CJ played and maybe he makes some mistakes but the offense had pace, had Ball State on the ropes and he threw a laser to Powell against really good coverage. Jake is going to always check down because he throws a terrible deep ball. If it weren't for Willies finger tip catch Ruddock would have 0 deep ball completions. This is a problem and why we'll see 8 men in the box the rest of the year...oh you can't run successfully against that look.
 
AIRHAWK said:
At the bar last night thinking....how many upsets has KF had in his years. Upsets meaning beating someone that nobody thought you had a shot at. Compare that with the number of bad losses. Losing to teams that you should have manhandled. UNI a few years ago when we block two consecutive field goals could be one of those bad losses too. UNI should have won this year. I don't know but my guess is that the number of bad losses far outnumber the upsets. When you play vanilla base mediocre football, that is what you get. Blah. Mediocre programs hope for upsets.
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If we're talking big upsets that even proved to be true upsets after the fact (e.g., not us beating a Purdue or Wisconsin team that was ranked but backsliding), there are probably a half dozen. Unfortunately, most of them came against JoePa or Lloyd Carr and those guys have long bince left the Conference. I'd throw the Florida, GT, Mizzou and LSU bowl games in to move us up to about 10 because people wrote us off in those games. Maybe folks can quibble and come up with 15 great upsets and I could possibly buy that, but when you weigh it against the multiple losses to poor Clown teams, Northwestern, Illinois in 2008, Minnesota, MAC teams beating us at home, Indiana, a single win against a very bad OSU team in his tenure, etc., it is just not a pretty picture in the aggregate.
 
okeefe4prez said:
If we're talking big upsets that even proved to be true upsets after the fact (e.g., not us beating a Purdue or Wisconsin team that was ranked but backsliding), there are probably a half dozen. Unfortunately, most of them came against JoePa or Lloyd Carr and those guys have long bince left the Conference. I'd throw the Florida, GT, Mizzou and LSU bowl games in to move us up to about 10 because people wrote us off in those games. Maybe folks can quibble and come up with 15 great upsets and I could possibly buy that, but when you weigh it against the multiple losses to poor Clown teams, Northwestern, Illinois in 2008, Minnesota, MAC teams beating us at home, Indiana, a single win against a very bad OSU team in his tenure, etc., it is just not a pretty picture in the aggregate.
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Exactly. Some gawd awful ISU teams that would go on to 2 win seasons, and 1 of them against Iowa. Directional Michigans, Purdue, Minnesota, Indiana. These teams haven't been relevant in the BIG for years. When Iowa lets up, plays to not lose and lets these teams hang around, breaks are going to go against you some of the time. When we are up 3-9 points, KF just drops the plow rather than flooring it, to try to go up 13-21 points or more. Frustrating as hell to watch. I have been a KF defender but that is now gone. Whats Dan McCarney doing these days? Iowa City is his hometown...a little enthusiasm
 
When the biggest display of emotion comes after the wide receivers (finally) catch a ball completed for just over 10 yards - you got a problem. KMM and Smith get up and do energetic fist pumps after plays that are routine at 100 other teams around the country.
 
racerhawk said:
Great points.

Iowa never exploits mis-matches the way they should. T. Smith, and you could see it in his emotions, wanted the damn ball and he is a guy that can win games for you. Maybe Willies is one of those guys, too. Iowa refuses to get it to the playmakers, and 0 second half TDs is the result.

The excuse that we don't have playmakers is gone. This group of WRs, if playing for ISU, would've shredded Iowa.

I have never coached football, but I feel like I could figure out a gameplan to beat Iowa at this point. It's really that predictable. Credit to ISU. I would have our slow LBs chasing receivers all day. I'd force Rudock to beat you over the top. Easy.
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No doubt, if I were a DC I would put 8, 9 guys in the box and turn them loose. Do not worry about taking bad angles, over pursuing because the backs they are using will not make you pay for it. I would have my backers and DB(s) cheat by walking up to the line of scrimmage, not even worrying about PA.
 
OP makes a subtle yet great point.

IMO, KF has "lost" his team thrice: 06, 07 and 2010. (Not sure what to make of 2012)

I'm afraid 2014 is quickly approaching that same slippery slope. Only, it's only taken 3 games to see it this time.
 
MoseSchrute said:
Patrick Vint has a great write-up over at BHGP. Kirk easily rules the conference at bad losses to bad teams, and Iowa has a bad record in close games, which is a horrible thing when your style leads to so many close games.

http://www.blackheartgoldpants.com/2014/9/13/6145661/iowa-state-20-iowa-17-turtling
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Wow that was tough to read. 14 years is a LONG time to make the same mistakes with no effort to fix them. How can Kirk lose or almost lose sooo many games to really bad teams and still think his overly conservative style is a good idea?
 
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