Did the 2014 loss to a very bad ISU team refocus KF and coaches??

[uihawk82]

This is a great streak the hawks are on in this series. Heading into the 2014 game the hawks had a really good team coming back (a team that would lose a couple of games they maybe shouldnt have but still a very good team) and I thought at Kinnick they would handle ISU by 14-17 points. As you know the game started out good for Iowa but the coaches seemed to have the players in first gear very conservative mode most of the game.

That last second ISU fg was bad and at the next presser I remember Phil Parker said they need to get more aggressive playing teams (especially an inferior opponent like that ISU team that ended at 2-10).

Do you still believe that that Iowa was one of only two teams ISU beat that year.

Any way, KF still had a losing record against ISU after that game which I wonder if it made him and his coaches do some soul searching about their approach to the game. This is KF's best win streak in the series and there was a pretty dominant win in 2015, a smashdown in 2016, the OT thriller in '17, and two pretty close games recently.

Any one have any inside info or thoughts on what might have flipped the scales the last 5 years?

 

[HawkGold]

No, it was mostly CJ. W/O him it would not have been pretty and he didn't want to do that.

That said, speed is the current difference.

 

[DDThompson]

This is a great streak the hawks are on in this series.
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Any one have any inside info or thoughts on what might have flipped the scales the last 5 years?

I don’t know. Better players. Better coaching.

I’m still trying to figure out how you went from the game thread that Wisconsin is probably going to kill us and that you’re reconsidering that we might not clobber Michigan now.

 

[PCHawk]

I'd say more or less the coin landed on heads 5 times in a row.

 

[revkev73]

The Kirk archetype is embedded. Keep it close. Don't turn it over. Don't do anything stupid. When in doubt, punt. Play special teams well. Establish the run. Shuttle in several backs who don't fumble. Don't take risks in the passing game. This has kept Kirk and family employed a long time. You know what you get, most of the time. There are endings which are more unhappy than steady Kirkball, even with the lack of electricity and quick strike coaching and playing. Perhaps with more talent at the skill positions, it is drifting a bit more bold. That would come in handy against those 3-4 big games vs teams of equal and better talent. Coming back from 14-6 down at Ames is Kirkball in action. Of course ISU pissing away a punt is helpful, bailed out Iowa's last second idiot call which stopped the clock at the sidelines. A nice win, for sure. Kudos to A+ punting and field goal execution!

 

[koralakers]

Hate to say this, but with their new coach, "Little Brother' has grown up and pretty much looking us eye-to-eye now. I still believe Campbell is an amazing coach. Certainly better 'game coach' than KF. We have been lucky to beat him. That won't last. I really hope he somehow leaves there soon.

 

[SpiderRico]

KF is on record regarding a few things from 2014 that I think explain a lot from that season.

1. He was reeling from the death of his grand daughter (BFs first child) just before the season started.

2. He had been spending too much time helping the athletic dept fundraise for the new north end zone expansion before that season which took too much time away from the team.

I think the results have really spoken for themselves since then.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

Hate to say this, but with their new coach, "Little Brother' has grown up and pretty much looking us eye-to-eye now. I still believe Campbell is an amazing coach. Certainly better 'game coach' than KF. We have been lucky to beat him. That won't last. I really hope he somehow leaves there soon.

That four-year luck streak has been awesome.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

KF is on record regarding a few things from 2014 that I think explain a lot from that season.

1. He was reeling from the death of his grand daughter (BFs first child) just before the season started.

2. He had been spending too much time helping the athletic dept fundraise for the new north end zone expansion before that season which took too much time away from the team.

I think the results have really spoken for themselves since then.

People forget why KF/Mrs. KF are so supportive of the children's hospital. As usual, the haters dump on it with, "If I had his dough, I'd give, too!"

 

[InGoodCo]

Hate to say this, but with their new coach, "Little Brother' has grown up and pretty much looking us eye-to-eye now. I still believe Campbell is an amazing coach. Certainly better 'game coach' than KF. We have been lucky to beat him. That won't last. I really hope he somehow leaves there soon.

 

[DBAHawkFan]

The Kirk archetype is embedded. Keep it close. Don't turn it over. Don't do anything stupid. When in doubt, punt. Play special teams well. Establish the run. Shuttle in several backs who don't fumble. Don't take risks in the passing game. This has kept Kirk and family employed a long time. You know what you get, most of the time. There are endings which are more unhappy than steady Kirkball, even with the lack of electricity and quick strike coaching and playing. Perhaps with more talent at the skill positions, it is drifting a bit more bold. That would come in handy against those 3-4 big games vs teams of equal and better talent. Coming back from 14-6 down at Ames is Kirkball in action. Of course ISU pissing away a punt is helpful, bailed out Iowa's last second idiot call which stopped the clock at the sidelines. A nice win, for sure. Kudos to A+ punting and field goal execution!

Pretty much all of this. Minus a few games each season where the offense can't miss on any play call, every game is nearly identical and that's due to the scheme and coaching. For the ISU series, other than the game two years ago where both teams scored points (and took multiple OTs to pad the scores), this game was like every other this past decade. Kirk wants to get out of this game with no injuries.

The years where we have a magician at QB is the difference over the last 20 years of looking a little more explosive and competent on offense than the years without.

I do wonder if Stanley is really THAT bad at the deep ball, or if he's been coached to err on the side of caution and overthrow everyone so it's not a turnover.....It also doesn't help that nearly most of NS throws are to the sidelines and within 5 yards of the LOS....

Kirk-ball gets us a chance at 8-10 wins a year IF we win the turnover battle, and we have some luck. I am not sure any one of us really felt confident we were going to win after the last series. ISU did what ISU does and that's why we won. Overall it appeared like both teams were fairly even, with ISU defense impersonating Iowa's. ISU seemed to have more speed, which is typical

 

[Xerxes]

KF is on record regarding a few things from 2014 that I think explain a lot from that season.

1. He was reeling from the death of his grand daughter (BFs first child) just before the season started.

2. He had been spending too much time helping the athletic dept fundraise for the new north end zone expansion before that season which took too much time away from the team.

I think the results have really spoken for themselves since then.

2014 was a rough season and came within an eyelash of being really bad. Easy for a stupid fan like me to forget how much #1 would bring even a strong man to their knees.

 

[guffus]

I think it was more the way Iowa finished 2014 that was the final straw.

Despite some mediocre play, Iowa was still 7-3 after 10 games and still had a chance to win the west with home games against Wisc and Neb still left.

Then Iowa collapsed, lost a close one to Wisc, then blew a big lead to Neb and losit in OT. Then got blown out in the HawkSlayer bowl.

Iowa finished 0-3 and 7-6 overall. The coaches had enough. That off-season they re-evaluated everything.

 

[uihawk82]

Pretty much all of this. Minus a few games each season where the offense can't miss on any play call, every game is nearly identical and that's due to the scheme and coaching. For the ISU series, other than the game two years ago where both teams scored points (and took multiple OTs to pad the scores), this game was like every other this past decade. Kirk wants to get out of this game with no injuries.

The years where we have a magician at QB is the difference over the last 20 years of looking a little more explosive and competent on offense than the years without.

I do wonder if Stanley is really THAT bad at the deep ball, or if he's been coached to err on the side of caution and overthrow everyone so it's not a turnover.....It also doesn't help that nearly most of NS throws are to the sidelines and within 5 yards of the LOS....

Kirk-ball gets us a chance at 8-10 wins a year IF we win the turnover battle, and we have some luck. I am not sure any one of us really felt confident we were going to win after the last series. ISU did what ISU does and that's why we won. Overall it appeared like both teams were fairly even, with ISU defense impersonating Iowa's. ISU seemed to have more speed, which is typical

Dont forget 2016, 2009, and 2010 were huge beatdowns by the hawks on ISU if you are looking at the last decade.

 

[uihawk82]

KF is on record regarding a few things from 2014 that I think explain a lot from that season.

1. He was reeling from the death of his grand daughter (BFs first child) just before the season started.

2. He had been spending too much time helping the athletic dept fundraise for the new north end zone expansion before that season which took too much time away from the team.

I think the results have really spoken for themselves since then.

I had forgotten about the death in the family which would be crushing for KF but also for his family.

 

[pythagoras]

Dont forget 2018, 2009, and 2010 were huge beatdowns by the hawks on ISU if you are looking at the last decade.

I think you mean 2016

Sept. 10, 2016 Iowa, 42-3 Iowa City, IA
Sept. 11, 2010 Iowa, 35-7 Iowa City, IA
Sept. 12, 2009 Iowa, 35-3 Ames, IA

 

[revkev73]

Pretty much all of this. Minus a few games each season where the offense can't miss on any play call, every game is nearly identical and that's due to the scheme and coaching. For the ISU series, other than the game two years ago where both teams scored points (and took multiple OTs to pad the scores), this game was like every other this past decade. Kirk wants to get out of this game with no injuries.

The years where we have a magician at QB is the difference over the last 20 years of looking a little more explosive and competent on offense than the years without.

I do wonder if Stanley is really THAT bad at the deep ball, or if he's been coached to err on the side of caution and overthrow everyone so it's not a turnover.....It also doesn't help that nearly most of NS throws are to the sidelines and within 5 yards of the LOS....

Kirk-ball gets us a chance at 8-10 wins a year IF we win the turnover battle, and we have some luck. I am not sure any one of us really felt confident we were going to win after the last series. ISU did what ISU does and that's why we won. Overall it appeared like both teams were fairly even, with ISU defense impersonating Iowa's. ISU seemed to have more speed, which is typical

There aren't many surprises in Kirkball. It is a machine designed to be a bit above average and "in" every game till the last minutes.

Kirk and staff, historically, mentor a QB to avoid mistakes at all costs. Don't screw it up!!!

 

[kameltoez102]

I was thinking about this last weekend with some of the scores and teams that are struggling around the country that have been very successful in the past and have some huge advantages but Iowa has always been consistently good really since the early 80's besides a few down years here and there, mainly due to the coaching change.

Look at UCLA, Florida State, USC, Tennessee, Texas (Until recently). We complain about what could have been with some of the years but really what could it be if KF was not the coach? There are a lot of IFs and I am not sure we would have had the consistency over the years if things were different. It would be interesting to see what some of the higher ups at these schools think now after some poor hiring choices and constant turnover.

 

[WinOneThisCentury]

I'm pretty sure it's our superior clock management skills that are driving this current streak. It's awesome, not even being able to take shots at scoring touchdowns at the end of the first half because we can't take a timeout at the right time.

I also appreciated the sheer bravado we exude when we provide an extra timeout to the opposition, just daring them to score on us late to beat us. That's called confidence in your defense in Ferentz world. LOL

Geez...I love me some KF and BF, but man...they deserve some serious grief about the way they have managed the clock this year. WTF.

 

[uihawk82]

I think you mean 2016

Sept. 10, 2016 Iowa, 42-3 Iowa City, IA
Sept. 11, 2010 Iowa, 35-7 Iowa City, IA
Sept. 12, 2009 Iowa, 35-3 Ames, IA

yes thank you.