Did other factors affect stricken players?

tweeterhawk

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This has been my suspicion all along. I would almost be willing to bet that an outside agent was at work here: for example, possible environmental contamination, excessive use of aspirin to deal with the pain, contaminated or unauthorized supplements. The doctors who have been put in charge of this investigation will need to look beyond the workout regimen.

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this was an interesting quote from Ballard:

The newest insight on the recent series of workouts came from former Hawkeyes defensive lineman Christian Ballard. Speaking with reporters at the Senior Bowl in Mobile, Ala., Ballard said he was familiar with the sort of strenuous sessions the players endured. Their behavior before the exercises might have contributed to their Monday hospitalizations, he said.

“I don’t know all the details, but I’m pretty sure a few of them went out on the weekend, had a good time, first weekend back at school, instead of recovering and resting up like they should have been doing,” he said. “That’s going to happen if you don’t take care of your body.”
 
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I read that in the Register this morning as well. It can't be just the workout, I agree something else is going on here.

Dr. Graves was asked whether the inability to find a common thread among the cases while hospitalized is unusual.
“Yes. That says that the kids aren’t telling you what happened on the weekend,â€￾ he said. “That says there is more to the story than the workouts. There is more going on that they aren’t telling us about … something else that sensitized them, perhaps, to the workout on Monday, and that is what tripped them into rhabdomyolysis.â€￾

Arndorfer, however, said a workout like that sounds consistent with Iowa’s past programs — and workouts he has been involved in himself.
“I have had guys do that workout and I have done that workout myself, and it’s (tough), but there’s got to be some underlying reasonâ€￾ for the hospitalization, Arndorfer said. Iowa players “do that workout every year at this time and have not had any problems in the past.â€￾
 


This is been my suspicion all along. I would almost be willing to bet that an outside agent was at work here: for example, possible environmental contamination, excessive use of aspirin to deal with the pain, contaminated or unauthorized supplements. The doctors who have been put in charge of this investigation will need to look beyond the workout regimen.

Did other factors affect stricken Hawkeyes? | Hawk Central

I posted an article about a case of rhabdomyolysis in 7 DI swimmers that occurred last year (I think).

First, rhabdomyolysis can occur with absolutely nothing other than strenuous exercise. In the case of the swimmers, they maintained that they were well hydrated, and denied drug/alcohol use or the use of dietary supplements. It's not always likely in young, fit athletes, but it can happen.

However, there are other factors that can cause rhabdomyolysis including

Hyponatremia: Low sodium levels. There are two possibly relevant cases here. Hypovolemic hyponatremia is when your water and sodium levels are low, which would be due to water and electrolyte loss during exercise. The second is exertional hyponatremia, where you lose sodium through sweat, but actually take in too much water during exercise, and dilute whatever sodium you have in your body.

Hypokalemia: Low potassium levels. This can be caused by dehydration, vomiting, or the use of diuretic pills (water pills). I suppose overhydration can also lead to this. Any of us who've worked out a lot before know that vomiting isn't uncommon.

Note: Both can be caused by the use of 'water pills' or other diuretics, which people do use for weight loss.

Influenza A or B, other viral or bacterial infection:
The flu can affect your muscles. There have been cases of exertional and non-exertional rhabdomyolysis in patients with influenza A, as well as H1N1. If you've had the flu, you know the muscle fatigue that can go along with it. Overworking muscles in this state could lead to rhabdomyolysis, I suppose.

Note: The usage of certain medications to treat these could, I suppose, also aggravate muscle damage.

Extremes in body temp: hypothermia or hyperthermia, the latter of which can be caused by a fever or simply working in a hot environment.

Drug/alcohol use: Since the tests came back negative for illegal substances, this is unlikely.

Supplements such as creatine or diuretics used for weight loss:

Environmental conditions (besides heat): Air quality could, I guess, affect your muscles.

As the OP mentioned, excessive aspirin use can also lead to this condition, as can the use of antihistamines and caffeine. I'm not sure about ibuprofen or acetaminophen use.

TL;DR: Basically, this could be nothing but the result of strenuous exercise. However, it could have been helped along with any number of other factors, from lack of rest, to alcohol use, to supplements, to viral infection, or some else.
 
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This has been my suspicion all along. I would almost be willing to bet that an outside agent was at work here: for example, possible environmental contamination, excessive use of aspirin to deal with the pain, contaminated or unauthorized supplements. The doctors who have been put in charge of this investigation will need to look beyond the workout regimen.

Did other factors affect stricken Hawkeyes? | Hawk Central


If they were drinking, think how fast alcohol can dehydrate you. That would not be a good thing for what they did all week.
 




I would be absolutely shocked if the investigation came back determining their were no external issues in play acting as a catalyst in this event. I'm not saying the players were doing something wrong but there may have been issues that the coaching staff didn't know about. I'm hoping the truth comes out soon, and the staff gets exonerated and everybody can move on from this unfortunate series of events.
 


In my mind, the quote from Ballard is very telling.

But of course, nobody wants to examine that part. Instead, it's easier for everyone to throw the staff under the bus and claim that some mysterious outside force had something to do with it.

The mere possibility that these college students may have enjoyed themselves a little too much on the weekend is just to ridiculous to consider. I remember back to my days in college and waking up the morning after partying the night before. One word I WOULDN'T use to describe myself would be "hydrated".

I'm not arguing the staff doesn't shoulder some of the blame here, but if, and its looking more likely, there are outside factors at play here (enjoying college life too much, unapproved supplement), then the players should be held partially responsible as well. I just get the feeling they have not been entirely forthcoming with the doctors through the process.

Rail on me all you want, but it is my opinion. It's sickening to see everyone so quickly jump on the bandwagon to crucify the staff right away without even considering the players are also at fault. No one is force feeding the supplement (or alcohol) to them. And what about the other 50-60 guys who took part in the same workout and are fine? Surely there should be a difference there that a doc could identify.
 


In my mind, the quote from Ballard is very telling.

But of course, nobody wants to examine that part. Instead, it's easier for everyone to throw the staff under the bus and claim that some mysterious outside force had something to do with it.

The mere possibility that these college students may have enjoyed themselves a little too much on the weekend is just to ridiculous to consider. I remember back to my days in college and waking up the morning after partying the night before. One word I WOULDN'T use to describe myself would be "hydrated".

I'm not arguing the staff doesn't shoulder some of the blame here, but if, and its looking more likely, there are outside factors at play here (enjoying college life too much, unapproved supplement), then the players should be held partially responsible as well. I just get the feeling they have not been entirely forthcoming with the doctors through the process.

Rail on me all you want, but it is my opinion. It's sickening to see everyone so quickly jump on the bandwagon to crucify the staff right away without even considering the players are also at fault. No one is force feeding the supplement (or alcohol) to them. And what about the other 50-60 guys who took part in the same workout and are fine? Surely there should be a difference there that a doc could identify.

I think what most of us are saying is that it had to be something else and that something else could be what they did over the weekend.
 


I think what most of us are saying is that it had to be something else and that something else could be what they did over the weekend.

I agree, and am not trying to be a DB (although failing).

It's rather disappointing to see the staff thrown under the bus, but I haven't really seen many people question the players activities / decisions.

For the most part, the staff has been the focus of the venom so far.
 


I have to wonder, when a kid gets recruited do they test kidney function at his physical and if so what is the standard procedure? I wonder how many kids take things in high school to bulk up or lose wieght, just to get a scholarship but during that time have made themselves more susceptible to later problems? I am no doctor but it does seem like something like that could happen. just a thought.
 


An interesting element that hasn't been talked about a lot is the fact that these 13 players came from different smaller work out groups working out at different times. I think when people imagine this workout they think of 100 players working at one time, with Iowa coaches pushing these 13 players until they dropped. Unless there's a clear link between the 13 players besides the exercise, it makes it hard to determine what went wrong. But on a separate token, it also suggests that there might be a commonality between the players who were affected.

As for the investigation, unless a clear link can be established through testing or interviews, I wouldn't be surprised if the results are inconclusive. I could definitely see there being concrete recommendations, though, such as not having such a strenuous exercise right at the beginning of training.
 
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this was an interesting quote from Ballard:

The newest insight on the recent series of workouts came from former Hawkeyes defensive lineman Christian Ballard. Speaking with reporters at the Senior Bowl in Mobile, Ala., Ballard said he was familiar with the sort of strenuous sessions the players endured. Their behavior before the exercises might have contributed to their Monday hospitalizations, he said.

“I don’t know all the details, but I’m pretty sure a few of them went out on the weekend, had a good time, first weekend back at school, instead of recovering and resting up like they should have been doing,â€￾ he said. “That’s going to happen if you don’t take care of your body.â€￾

This was my very first reaction when I heard about this.
 


Anyone know birthdates of players left on the roster? I have been wondering who was at Jakes or the Fieldhouse for a birthday, accompanied by at least 13 teammates on Saturday night or Sunday...


this was an interesting quote from Ballard:

The newest insight on the recent series of workouts came from former Hawkeyes defensive lineman Christian Ballard. Speaking with reporters at the Senior Bowl in Mobile, Ala., Ballard said he was familiar with the sort of strenuous sessions the players endured. Their behavior before the exercises might have contributed to their Monday hospitalizations, he said.

“I don’t know all the details, but I’m pretty sure a few of them went out on the weekend, had a good time, first weekend back at school, instead of recovering and resting up like they should have been doing,â€￾ he said. “That’s going to happen if you don’t take care of your body.â€￾
 


Even IF the players had alcohol of ANY kind over the weekend, when they should have been hydrating...it could have caused complications. You don't have to be a drunken mess for alcohol to negatively affect your hydration.

I also wonder if that would show up on a drug test.
 




this was an interesting quote from Ballard:

“I don’t know all the details, but I’m pretty sure a few of them went out on the weekend, had a good time, first weekend back at school, instead of recovering and resting up like they should have been doing,â€￾ he said. “That’s going to happen if you don’t take care of your body.â€￾[/I]

This was my very first reaction when I heard about this.

Same thoughts I had. There is going to be something else involved. 13 kids keeping their "story" in check will not happen. This even makes further sense when all 13 were not in the same lifting sessions. The truth will come out, officially or not, eventually. Until then, it is all speculation. Too bad the media care less and less about facts. I sincerely hope there is no wrongful fallout from this unless fully warranted, which doesn't seem to be the case.
 


In one of the articles I read, in addition to looking at the regimen ordered and carried out by the strength and conditioning staff, it was suggested that the actions of the training staff also needed to be reviewed. Guess I didn't realize there would be a separate staff for that -- making sure the players stay hydrated, checking on their conditions, etc. -- but they also enter into the equation.
 


Just to clarify, it is believed to have been the workout from last Thursday that caused this, not the one on Monday, correct?
 


Even IF the players had alcohol of ANY kind over the weekend, when they should have been hydrating...it could have caused complications. You don't have to be a drunken mess for alcohol to negatively affect your hydration.

I also wonder if that would show up on a drug test.
It takes 5-7 days for your liver and kidneys to process alcohol thru your system. It takes much less in terms of added factors to create dehydration issues when you workout at a high level.
 




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