Derek Jeter!

twinlaker

twinlaker

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Home run for his 3,000th hit! Only second time someone has hit a home run for their 3,000th.
 
Awesome day for Jeter, 5/5 HR, 2B, SB.

Guy deserves every honor he receives. Epitome of class by a professional athlete at the highest level.
 
HawkeyeMike23 said:
I assume this is filled with sarcasm.
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Nunez might have a stronger arm right now but that does you no good when you can't make the routine plays.

Stats don't lie.

Nunez has 9 errors in 91 chances, Jeter has 4 errors in 221 chances this year.

Eduardo Nunez Stats - New York Yankees - ESPN

Derek Jeter Stats - New York Yankees - ESPN

So again, Nunez isn't as good with the glove, Jeter has had twice as many chances and half as many errors, explain how Nunez is a better shortstop right now?
 
hawkeyescott said:
Nunez might have a stronger arm right now but that does you no good when you can't make the routine plays.

Stats don't lie.

Nunez has 9 errors in 91 chances, Jeter has 4 errors in 221 chances this year.

Eduardo Nunez Stats - New York Yankees - ESPN

Derek Jeter Stats - New York Yankees - ESPN

So again, Nunez isn't as good with the glove, Jeter has had twice as many chances and half as many errors, explain how Nunez is a better shortstop right now?
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I assumed he was talking about A-Rod, personally.

Jeter is a very good player, though he is a little overrated. By far my favorite Yankee (Doesn't necessarily say a lot, but I do really like Jeter), but he gets a lot of credit for BEING a Yankee when it comes to judging him as a player. He's great, and still HOF-worthy (easily). But NOT one of the top 3 shortstops of all time.
 
hawkeyescott said:
Nunez might have a stronger arm right now but that does you no good when you can't make the routine plays.

Stats don't lie.

Nunez has 9 errors in 91 chances, Jeter has 4 errors in 221 chances this year.

Eduardo Nunez Stats - New York Yankees - ESPN

Derek Jeter Stats - New York Yankees - ESPN

So again, Nunez isn't as good with the glove, Jeter has had twice as many chances and half as many errors, explain how Nunez is a better shortstop right now?
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Yeah I was talking about A-Rod, not Nunez. Plus you can't make errors on balls you can't reach, so Jeter and his horrible range are safe there.
 
I have mlbtv and watch almost every game...nunez has a great bat but an aging jeter still is wayyyy better of a fielder.
 
tm3308 said:
I assumed he was talking about A-Rod, personally.

Jeter is a very good player, though he is a little overrated. By far my favorite Yankee (Doesn't necessarily say a lot, but I do really like Jeter), but he gets a lot of credit for BEING a Yankee when it comes to judging him as a player. He's great, and still HOF-worthy (easily). But NOT one of the top 3 shortstops of all time.
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Did BEING a Yankee get him 7 200+ hit seasons or did he do that on his own?
 
knighthawk13 said:
Did BEING a Yankee get him 7 200+ hit seasons or did he do that on his own?
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Of course not. But he's not one of the top 3 shortstops ever, even with those 7 200+ hit seasons. He's always been overrated defensively. He's made some spectacular LOOKING plays at short, but many of them were made on balls that better shortstops (with better range) make look easy.

Like I said, he's a great player, and a HOF-caliber one at that. But he DOES receive extra credit because he's the captain of the Yankees.

I'd take Ozzie Smith over Jeter. Doesn't have the batting average, but he struck out FAR less often (which means he gave himself a chance to get on base more often than does Jeter), and was by far a better defensive player.

Ripken is another I'd take before Jeter. Still lacks the batting average, but he hit for more power, and was still a great defensive player.

Pee Wee Reese. Lost three years to WWII just as he was entering his prime, and still played 16 seasons. Half the strikeouts of Jeter, plus more walks.

That's not to mention a guy like Tulowitzki, who I would take over Jeter (in his prime). Great defensively, and much more power offensively.

Jeter is great, but not one of the top 3 to ever play shortstop. To deny that he get even more praise than what he's earned (which does say something) simply due to the pinstripes is laughable.
 
tm3308 said:
Of course not. But he's not one of the top 3 shortstops ever, even with those 7 200+ hit seasons. He's always been overrated defensively. He's made some spectacular LOOKING plays at short, but many of them were made on balls that better shortstops (with better range) make look easy.

Like I said, he's a great player, and a HOF-caliber one at that. But he DOES receive extra credit because he's the captain of the Yankees.

I'd take Ozzie Smith over Jeter. Doesn't have the batting average, but he struck out FAR less often (which means he gave himself a chance to get on base more often than does Jeter), and was by far a better defensive player.

Ripken is another I'd take before Jeter. Still lacks the batting average, but he hit for more power, and was still a great defensive player.

Pee Wee Reese. Lost three years to WWII just as he was entering his prime, and still played 16 seasons. Half the strikeouts of Jeter, plus more walks.

That's not to mention a guy like Tulowitzki, who I would take over Jeter (in his prime). Great defensively, and much more power offensively.

Jeter is great, but not one of the top 3 to ever play shortstop. To deny that he get even more praise than what he's earned (which does say something) simply due to the pinstripes is laughable.
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Jeter is much better than Ozzie Smith. Using Smith having fewer strike outs is a very weird way to try and justify him being better. An out is an out. Jeter's OPS+ for his career is 118, Smith's is 87. It's not even close.

As for top 3 SS of all time, I would have Honus Wagner, A-Rod and Ripken, Jeter would be right outside of those three, top five all time.
 
HawkeyeMike23 said:
Jeter is much better than Ozzie Smith. Using Smith having fewer strike outs is a very weird way to try and justify him being better. An out is an out. Jeter's OPS+ for his career is 118, Smith's is 87. It's not even close.

As for top 3 SS of all time, I would have Honus Wagner, A-Rod and Ripken, Jeter would be right outside of those three, top five all time.
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Fewer strikeouts in a similar amount of AB's. That's a higher contact percentage. I wasn't trying to imply that Smith was better offensively, rather justifying picking him for his defense by closing the gap a little at the plate. If that makes any sense?
 
tm3308 said:
Of course not. But he's not one of the top 3 shortstops ever, even with those 7 200+ hit seasons. He's always been overrated defensively. He's made some spectacular LOOKING plays at short, but many of them were made on balls that better shortstops (with better range) make look easy.

Like I said, he's a great player, and a HOF-caliber one at that. But he DOES receive extra credit because he's the captain of the Yankees.

I'd take Ozzie Smith over Jeter. Doesn't have the batting average, but he struck out FAR less often (which means he gave himself a chance to get on base more often than does Jeter), and was by far a better defensive player.

Ripken is another I'd take before Jeter. Still lacks the batting average, but he hit for more power, and was still a great defensive player.

Pee Wee Reese. Lost three years to WWII just as he was entering his prime, and still played 16 seasons. Half the strikeouts of Jeter, plus more walks.

That's not to mention a guy like Tulowitzki, who I would take over Jeter (in his prime). Great defensively, and much more power offensively.

Jeter is great, but not one of the top 3 to ever play shortstop. To deny that he get even more praise than what he's earned (which does say something) simply due to the pinstripes is laughable.
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:eek::eek:This pretty much destroys any credibility you had on the subject.

I think he's top 3. Wagner and Ripken at the top. A-Rod loses points for me because of the steroids. Hard to evaluate his career in light of that.
 
tm3308 said:
Fewer strikeouts in a similar amount of AB's. That's a higher contact percentage. I wasn't trying to imply that Smith was better offensively, rather justifying picking him for his defense by closing the gap a little at the plate. If that makes any sense?
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Game 7 of the world series. 2 outs, man on 3rd. Game tied in the 9th. I'm taking Jeter over any modern day SS as far as who I would want at the plate.....that includes A-Rod. Some things can't be measured by stats.
 
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