Brents may end up being better than Jackson or King. At this point in his career I think he is ahead of where they were and with his size he will be our next lockdown CB.
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hawkfan2679
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The only thing I would disagree with is that the throw wasn't a bad one on that end zone INT. That throw was way too far inside; having said that, Moss was still in a good position if the route had been thrown correctly (where his receiver had plenty of room to fade to the sideline). If he doesn't high point that ball it's probably a touchdown as the Minnesota receiver was coming over the top.
Other than that, the plays where he was picked on were plays where he just needed to trust the technique. Sometimes, you just aren't going to get your head around, so instead of playing the ball you have to play the man, and more specifically, the arms/hands. He was so close on a couple of those plays...I think there was a lot to build on for a freshman corner.
Adam
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To elaborate further I believe it was the first deep ball they threw on him. He was right in the receivers pocket, and he got his arm inside the WR's. This is what you are taught to do if you are face guarding which happens alot on fade and go routes. The only thing he did wrong was he pulled his arm downward instead of ripping it away from the WR's body. These things can be cleaned up if the ability to keep up with a WR is present. I think both of the youngsters showed well for foot speed and with Parker's tutelage I have little doubt they will be All B1G performers someday soon.
hawkfan2679
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Exactly...I think it was either that one or there may have been one more (maybe the TD) where he went up and he just utilized the wrong arm, which allowed the receiver to shield the ball from him. Little things...
SamBrownlee48
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Brents has been ahead of either one since he set foot on campus. The way Phil spoke of him this summer, I figured he'd be playing ahead of those guys. And he was a much better rated recruit coming in.
Moss has been more of a surprise, but it happens. Basee on how they talked about him in 2013, you'd have thought Spearman would be playing LB 2014-2016. But then this local nobody named Josey Jewell came along and showed up in summer camp, and that was that.
#1DieHardHawk
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Depending on the recruiting service, actually Turner was rated higher. He was a high (96+) 4-star per 247. The coaches also mentioned Turner and Creamer after Spring ball.
https://247sports.com/Player/Josh-Turner-1528/
And, he wasn't ahead of both when he stepped on campus. Just like everyone else, he had to earn the coaches trust, which, obviously, he has. I just find it interesting that despite being a full year into the system, both Turner and Creamer have fallen backwards. It will be interesting to see how it plays out. One or both could use it as motivation and prepare harder, or one or both could sulk and leave (a la, Spearman).
247 is mixed up there, Iowa's Josh Turner was not a 4-star. Ours is from Florida, while the ranking 247 seems to be using is from a 2010 recruit from Oklahoma that signed with Texas.
This is Iowa's Josh Turner: https://247sports.com/player/joshua-turner-78753/
#1DieHardHawk
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Ah. Got it. Thanks for the clarification.
Nevertheless, still interesting that both those guys have fallen so far out of favor, but, as I mentioned earlier, we have to trust Phil. He knows DBs as well as any other coach at this level.
I thought he looked like a first time player and did a pretty good job after getting picked on a bit. He kept fighting and that's all you can really ask in that situation.
As you said, he stayed pretty close to his guy. Just has to turn and look for the ball more which will come. When he did, good things happened.
I could see Brents passing either Hankins or ojemudia. However I can’t see how Hankins could have been beat out by moss. Thought he looked excellent this year.
Moss didn’t get beat because he was out of position, he just got beat because a superior receiver got leverage on him. I never saw a completion against him where the receiver was 5 yards downfield. I was impressed.
Hankins is hurt (cast on his hand), he will be backing in the starting lineup when they feel he is healthy (just my sense, I have no inside info).
HawkeyeDenis
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They have him listed at 6.2 which makes him a big corner.
Merton Hanks is a good comparison, although Brents might be a little quicker. Hanks had the famous pigeon dance after his pick 6s. Four time Pro-Bowler.
Ree4
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I thought that was the dirty bird
HawkeyeWalker
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Mecha-neck
Awesome.
Awesome.
Northside Hawk
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Jamal won me a lot of money in my two fantasy football leagues in 1998. He had something like seventeen touchdowns that year and few leagues were tracked by internet sites back then, meaning that scoring touchdowns had more of a premium then than it does now.
To be fair, there were also years when my teams flamed out. Those years sucked. Nothing worse than being in a FFL in mid October and already having little or nothing to play for. Vinny Testeverde getting knocked out for the season in week 1 killed me one year.
Does anyone else remember playing fantasy football and having to go to the Monday morning newspaper to manually add up the points for each team in the league? Ugggh!
I stopped playing in 2010. My kids and family and their sports were starting to take up more and more of my time, which is how it should be anyway. They do grow up fast.
BTW, Jamal Anderson's Dirty Bird borrowed heavily from the Ickey Shuffle named adter the old Cincinnati running back Ickey Woods.
Billy "White Shoes" Johnson had, and still has, the best TD dance ever. And with the league's butt-hurt stance on excessive celebration penalties, that status is probably safe for a long time.
