Cuban - College Basketball Ugly

eyekwah

eyekwah

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"Cuban hopes that the NCAA's rules and officiating style change to allow faster offenses to succeed instead of rewarding teams that milk the clock and play boring basketball."

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story...horrible-state-college-basketball-hurting-nba

I have to agree with most of his points. Things I would change:

  1. Widen the lane by four feet to open the lane up.
  2. Change the three second rule to two seconds in the lane to force the offensive player to shoot more quickly.
  3. Return to calling the reach in rule. The offensive player should be given at least two feet of space around him and any hand of the defensive player entering that space is a foul.
  4. Go to the 30 second clock.
  5. Return to the old definition of palming the ball. If the dribbler uses his hand on the side of the ball for other than passing it is palming.
  6. Eliminate the dunk. Being tall and able to jump is not a basketball skill, but a physical attribute.
  7. Move the third referee to the sideline in a seat at mid court. Move the benches of the coaches and player to be opposite of the scoring table. Referees are to station themselves at the scoring table side of the court.
 
eyekwah said:
"Cuban hopes that the NCAA's rules and officiating style change to allow faster offenses to succeed instead of rewarding teams that milk the clock and play boring basketball."

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story...horrible-state-college-basketball-hurting-nba

I have to agree with most of his points. Things I would change:

  1. Widen the lane by four feet to open the lane up.
  2. Change the three second rule to two seconds in the lane to force the offensive player to shoot more quickly.
  3. Return to calling the reach in rule. The offensive player should be given at least two feet of space around him and any hand of the defensive player entering that space is a foul.
  4. Go to the 30 second clock.
  5. Return to the old definition of palming the ball. If the dribbler uses his hand on the side of the ball for other than passing it is palming.
  6. Eliminate the dunk. Being tall and able to jump is not a basketball skill, but a physical attribute.
  7. Move the third referee to the sideline in a seat at mid court. Move the benches of the coaches and player to be opposite of the scoring table. Referees are to station themselves at the scoring table side of the court.
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LOL, when I read the title I thought they were talking about college bb in Cuba.:eek: Now that I figured it out............these are bold changes.
1. Widen the lane. [I'd start with 2' instead of 4 and go from there]
2. I think the 3 second rule is fine as is
3. I'd love to see the reach in rule enforced. Play defense with your feet not your hands. Yeah, I'm looking at you Aaron Craft.
4. 30 second clock? Yeah, ok I'll try that.
5. YES! get rid of people playing "And 1" league ball by turning it over constantly.
6. Getting rid of the dunk?? Insane. No way. In fact, I'd let guys hang on the rim all they like.
7. I like the thought here. I want coaches to leave officials alone. But how is a guy supposed to sub in if he's on the opposite side of the court? I guess he could run all the way around, but sheesh.
I'd make coaches talking to officials illegal unless the official asks to speak with the coach first. Tired of watching Coach K, Izzo, Ryan, etc grab refs by the elbow and chat them up every single dead ball. coach your team, not the refs.

These are some interesting ideas though. Good discussion starter.
 
You lost me with eliminating the dunk, this ain't "Hooisers" man. I would push 3 pt. line back to 23'9....That would help the shot making skill and bring back the need for a midrange game.
 
One "change" I'd make: let pro owners be concerned with the pro game. Why should Mark Cuban have a "say" in NCAA b-ball rules?

That said, the biggest change I'd make is NCAA enforcement of violations. EVERYone knows Calipari cheats--unless leaving the last several schools you coached (before the current gig) on probation isn't adequate indication of a possible scumbag alert--so why "wait" for a "lucky break"? People know certain schools "live" by the sword of "skirting the rules". So, don't allow them to be continually rewarded by "messing up" investigations or saying (NCAA), "We don't have adequate investigative resources".

When an organization needs a school's independent investigative report to proceed--and in fact, allows some of the usual "suspects" (Miami, cough cough) to sit on the enforcement committee, you really DON'T have much in terms of "competent" investigative resources--don't punish ANYone. Either someone cheats or they don't. It isn't a "gray" area, for God's sake.
 
eliminate the dunk? You might as well change rebounding to make it hit the ground before you can grab the ball while you're at it.
 
Sure college ball isn't perfect but I can't watch the NBA much... That style of play is just rough. It's one on one either in the post or on the wing and if they don't get a shot they go to a pick and roll. Hardly any posting up goes on in the NBA anymore. The days of post play are just about over... The refs just make anticipatory calls without actually seeing the play. I'll watch college over pro any day of the week.
 
Hawkfnntn said:
Sure college ball isn't perfect but I can't watch the NBA much... That style of play is just rough. It's one on one either in the post or on the wing and if they don't get a shot they go to a pick and roll. Hardly any posting up goes on in the NBA anymore. The days of post play are just about over... The refs just make anticipatory calls without actually seeing the play. I'll watch college over pro any day of the week.
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1. The NBA has gone away from isolation basketball in recent years.
2. College teams often waste 10-15 seconds doing nothing while their coach barks out their play(which usually ends in a pick n roll situation anyway followed by a bad shot).
3. Off the top of my head Both Gasol's, Zach Randolph, Nikola Vucevic, Tim Duncan, Brook Lopez, Al Jefferson, Lamarcus Aldridge, and Dirk Nowitzki are all capable offensive players posting up from the NBA. The only players from the B1G that I would consider would be Hammons, Hayes, and Kaminsky.
4. Both college and pro officials have their flaws, but Joey Crawford is fun to make fun of, so the NBA gets the nod over college for me.
 
hawkeyebob62 said:
One "change" I'd make: let pro owners be concerned with the pro game. Why should Mark Cuban have a "say" in NCAA b-ball rules?

That said, the biggest change I'd make is NCAA enforcement of violations. EVERYone knows Calipari cheats--unless leaving the last several schools you coached (before the current gig) on probation isn't adequate indication of a possible scumbag alert--so why "wait" for a "lucky break"? People know certain schools "live" by the sword of "skirting the rules". So, don't allow them to be continually rewarded by "messing up" investigations or saying (NCAA), "We don't have adequate investigative resources".

When an organization needs a school's independent investigative report to proceed--and in fact, allows some of the usual "suspects" (Miami, cough cough) to sit on the enforcement committee, you really DON'T have much in terms of "competent" investigative resources--don't punish ANYone. Either someone cheats or they don't. It isn't a "gray" area, for God's sake.
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I actually think the NBA owners should have a say in it or at least let their thoughts be heard, because their players are required to go to college for at least one year.
 
HawkAssassin said:
1. The NBA has gone away from isolation basketball in recent years.
2. College teams often waste 10-15 seconds doing nothing while their coach barks out their play(which usually ends in a pick n roll situation anyway followed by a bad shot).
3. Off the top of my head Both Gasol's, Zach Randolph, Nikola Vucevic, Tim Duncan, Brook Lopez, Al Jefferson, Lamarcus Aldridge, and Dirk Nowitzki are all capable offensive players posting up from the NBA. The only players from the B1G that I would consider would be Hammons, Hayes, and Kaminsky.
4. Both college and pro officials have their flaws, but Joey Crawford is fun to make fun of, so the NBA gets the nod over college for me.
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Yes college needs to speed the game up. I don't like how 10-sometimes 20 seconds are wasted either. But I like how the game allows all the different defenses to be played. You can get such a variance in style of play as opposed to the NBA just everyone is the same. (Golden state is fun to watch I'll give you that and ATL is too when they were on that crazy run.) But that's just a couple teams.

And don't get it confused I'm wasn't trying to compare the post game of NBA to college. I was comparing the post game of todays NBA to 20-25 yrs ago or so. I used to like the NBA of mid 90s. Only Duncan on that list you put deserves to be mentioned in the same sentence as Ewing Olajuwon Robinson Shaq Mourning Malone Barkley etc. Nowitzki isn't a post up player in the classic sense. He will when he has a smaller guy on him and he just fades away every time. I think only Mourning on that list I rattled off isn't one of hte top 50 overall players. And that list hasn't changed much in my opinion. I can see Duncan being on it. I admire his game a lot.
 
You take away palming the ball and you take away the entire game from most players, especially the guards. I'm just surprised it is ever called at all.
 
trj said:
You lost me with eliminating the dunk, this ain't "Hooisers" man. I would push 3 pt. line back to 23'9....That would help the shot making skill and bring back the need for a midrange game.
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NCAA Basketball is INSANELY Popular. It just finished one of the most exciting, interesting Tournaments in years.

It's a complete phenomenon.

So, now you have a Multi-millionaire owner of a team in the BORING NBA, saying College hoops needs to change?

Methinks not, so much. (Eye-roll)
 
Shave 5 seconds off the shot clock and maybe move the 3pt line back a little bit. I'd like to get rid of the flop somehow but that's not gonna happen...
 
eyekwah said:
"Cuban hopes that the NCAA's rules and officiating style change to allow faster offenses to succeed instead of rewarding teams that milk the clock and play boring basketball."

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story...horrible-state-college-basketball-hurting-nba

I have to agree with most of his points. Things I would change:

  1. Widen the lane by four feet to open the lane up.
  2. Change the three second rule to two seconds in the lane to force the offensive player to shoot more quickly.
  3. Return to calling the reach in rule. The offensive player should be given at least two feet of space around him and any hand of the defensive player entering that space is a foul.
  4. Go to the 30 second clock.
  5. Return to the old definition of palming the ball. If the dribbler uses his hand on the side of the ball for other than passing it is palming.
  6. Eliminate the dunk. Being tall and able to jump is not a basketball skill, but a physical attribute.
  7. Move the third referee to the sideline in a seat at mid court. Move the benches of the coaches and player to be opposite of the scoring table. Referees are to station themselves at the scoring table side of the court.
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I agreed with a lot that Cuban had to say as well. The pro game has changed a lot in the past 5-7 years and the college game has turned into a shove-fest.


  1. I disagree. Instead go to the international lane. That would open things up a lot more than adopting the pro lane.
  2. Changing to the international lane would make 3 seconds work better.
  3. Agree. I'd add to that if the defensive player doesn't allow that the offensive player can pivot and basically knock the defensive player out of his (the offensive player's) space.
  4. Again, agree. The women have played with a 30 second shot clock for around 40 years. Time for the men to catch up.
  5. Again, agree.
  6. Disagree. Do what John Wooden suggested. Make the dunk worth only 1 point. Dunks are exciting but we tend to overvalue them.
  7. Disagree. The players, and therefore the coaches, have to be on the same side as the scoring table in order to check into the game.

A few more I'd add:


  1. Once the ball is in the frontcourt, eliminate the ability to throw the ball inbounds to the backcourt. Once you cross the half court line and pass it back, it's a violation. Why is it not a violation on the inbounds pass for the same action?
  2. If a player flops, make it not only a foul but make the second flop by a player in a game an expulsion. We have made defenses revert to Chris Jones acting. Get rid of it.
  3. Make the arc around the basket for drawing a charge another 2 feet farther out.
  4. Make referees work in a variety of conferences. Why do we seem to get the same group of referees for the Big 10 and a different group for the ACC and yet a different group for the Big 12? And then when we go to the NCAA tournament, it's always a different group; why?
  5. Why do we let coaches out of the coaching box? Tech them up EVERY SINGLE TIME they step out. If the coaches can't stay in their designated area, then do what Iowa boys' HS basketball does -they have to sit on the bench when the ball is in play.
  6. No bonus and then super bonus free throw shooting. At the 7th foul, every foul is a 2-shot foul except: A) a shooting foul where the player makes the basket (one shot) or B) a shooting foul on a three point attempt where the shot is missed (three shots).

I'm certain there are more changes that could make the game better. These are but a few.
 
1. Go to a 30 second clock
2. Move the 3 pt. line to NBA range
3. Widen the lane
4. Take a timeout or two away from each team.
5. Improve instant replay
 
It has nothing to do with rules. College bball was better 5 or 6 years ago and the rules were the same. It has to do with the athletes and kids. The game has changed and so has the type of bball player. The game has turned into who is more athletic rather than who is a better bball player. Coaches are recruiting superior athletes and then trying to develop their game rather than recruiting the good athlete with a skilled game. They think they can get more potential out of the superior athlete when they develop. It all has to do with potential anymore. That's why shooting numbers are down. The teams like Wisky and Duke are 2 who still do a good job or recruiting real bball players are the ones doing well. Kansas is down (not winning in tourney) because they're all based off athletes as well as OSU and Carolina besides Paige.
 
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JG10Hawk said:
Shave 5 seconds off the shot clock and maybe move the 3pt line back a little bit. I'd like to get rid of the flop somehow but that's not gonna happen...
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I just do not agree with reducing the shot clock. If you reduce the shot clock you would force college teams to play NBA ball because there won't be enough time to run an offense. Remember, a 35 second shot clock effectively means a team has 26 seconds to identify man vs zone and then set up their offense for the defense. Twenty-six seconds isn't too much time.

I don't believe the NBA allows full court zone pressure, only man. College hoops does allow full court zone pressure and it is an exciting element of the game.
 
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