thejumper5
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Create a playoff system
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thejumper5
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Here's my ideal:
-14-team playoff.
-The season starts a week earlier, so conference championship races are all done by the end of November.
-The champions of the six best conferences each year (as determined by some random system like the Sagarin rankings) are auto-qualifiers.
-8 at-large bids as selected by a committee like the NCAA tournament committee for every other sport.
-The top two conference champions get a first round bye.
-No more than 3 teams per conference.
-The 3-8 seeds host the 9-14 seeds in round 1.
-First round losers are eligible for other bowl games, which will still exist, sort of like an NIT.
-The quarterfinals are played at the four BCS stadiums.
-The semifinals are played at two of the BCS stadiums. The final is played at one of the two BCS stadiums that didn't host a semifinal. If a stadium hosts the final one year, they only host a QF the next year. For instance, if New Orleans hosted the title game this year, they would host only a QF next year, a QF and a SF in 2013 and 2014, and the final again in 2015.
-In the first round there are two games on Friday and two games on Saturday. The Friday winners play each other in the quarterfinals.
Here is what a schedule might look like this year. This is just to give an example and is not meant to slight the fans of any team. If all the home teams won in this scenario, Clemson, Michigan St, Virginia Tech, Baylor, Kansas State, and West Virginia would be eligible for other bowl games.
Schedule with this year's dates. All times EST.
December 2:
6 PM-#12 Clemson at #5 Oregon
9:30 PM-#13 Michigan State at #4 Stanford
December 3:
11 AM-#9 Virginia Tech at #8 Wisconsin
2:30 PM-#11 Baylor at #6 Arkansas
6 PM-#14 West Virginia at #3 Alabama
9:30 PM-#10 Kansas State at #7 Boise State
December 10-Quarterfinals:
11 AM-6/11 vs. 3/6 at Miami
2:30 PM-7/10 vs. #2 Oklahoma State at Glendale
6 PM-8/9 vs. #1 LSU at New Orleans
9:30 PM-4/13 vs. 5/12 at Pasadena
January 2-Semifinals
3:30 PM-Miami QF vs. Glendale QF at Miami
7 PM-NO QF vs. Pasadena QF at Pasadena
January 9-Championship
8:30 PM-Semifinal Winners at New Orleans
-14-team playoff.
-The season starts a week earlier, so conference championship races are all done by the end of November.
-The champions of the six best conferences each year (as determined by some random system like the Sagarin rankings) are auto-qualifiers.
-8 at-large bids as selected by a committee like the NCAA tournament committee for every other sport.
-The top two conference champions get a first round bye.
-No more than 3 teams per conference.
-The 3-8 seeds host the 9-14 seeds in round 1.
-First round losers are eligible for other bowl games, which will still exist, sort of like an NIT.
-The quarterfinals are played at the four BCS stadiums.
-The semifinals are played at two of the BCS stadiums. The final is played at one of the two BCS stadiums that didn't host a semifinal. If a stadium hosts the final one year, they only host a QF the next year. For instance, if New Orleans hosted the title game this year, they would host only a QF next year, a QF and a SF in 2013 and 2014, and the final again in 2015.
-In the first round there are two games on Friday and two games on Saturday. The Friday winners play each other in the quarterfinals.
Here is what a schedule might look like this year. This is just to give an example and is not meant to slight the fans of any team. If all the home teams won in this scenario, Clemson, Michigan St, Virginia Tech, Baylor, Kansas State, and West Virginia would be eligible for other bowl games.
Schedule with this year's dates. All times EST.
December 2:
6 PM-#12 Clemson at #5 Oregon
9:30 PM-#13 Michigan State at #4 Stanford
December 3:
11 AM-#9 Virginia Tech at #8 Wisconsin
2:30 PM-#11 Baylor at #6 Arkansas
6 PM-#14 West Virginia at #3 Alabama
9:30 PM-#10 Kansas State at #7 Boise State
December 10-Quarterfinals:
11 AM-6/11 vs. 3/6 at Miami
2:30 PM-7/10 vs. #2 Oklahoma State at Glendale
6 PM-8/9 vs. #1 LSU at New Orleans
9:30 PM-4/13 vs. 5/12 at Pasadena
January 2-Semifinals
3:30 PM-Miami QF vs. Glendale QF at Miami
7 PM-NO QF vs. Pasadena QF at Pasadena
January 9-Championship
8:30 PM-Semifinal Winners at New Orleans
ssckelley
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They are not going to get rid of all these bowl games as there is way to much money involved. I think the best case scenario for a small playoff and keep the bowl system is a 1 plus system. Have the BCS game be announced after the bowl games have been played. Which means you have LSU playing in the Sugar Bowl and a possible Oklahoma State vs Alabama in the Fiesta Bowl. Or get rid of some of the conference tie in with the BCS bowls and pit the #1 vs #4 and the #2 vs #3. Again keeping all the rest of the bowl games intact.
DwayneTwill
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Traditional conference tie-ins +1.
IATrainMaster101
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Forget play offs because they once started, they will never ever ever quit expanding.
Also while not perfect, the current system si the best set up to make regular season games the
most relevent and does the best job of crowning the best team as opposed to the hottest. Does that make it the best? Maybe, maybe not but you can make a strong argument.
Lastly, a play off system IMHO that reduces post season opportunities will only help the richest teams get richer and hurt the lions share.
What I would support, is Footballs versions of B10 / ACC challenges where each BCS confrence had to participate vs 2 other confrences. Same type of format 1st vs 1st same determination of road / home. 1 match up would be early season before confrence schedules, the other mid season (ratings bonanza). Top finishing Non BCS teams, and independents (ND) would have an opportunity to fill in holes if they chose to do so.
Immagine the SEC #1 playing in B10 Country on a sloppy cold late October evening.
To me this would make the reg season that much more meaningfull and even more questions.
I think this and a plus one championship game would be very exciting and add to what is already the greatest sport in America.
Also while not perfect, the current system si the best set up to make regular season games the
most relevent and does the best job of crowning the best team as opposed to the hottest. Does that make it the best? Maybe, maybe not but you can make a strong argument.
Lastly, a play off system IMHO that reduces post season opportunities will only help the richest teams get richer and hurt the lions share.
What I would support, is Footballs versions of B10 / ACC challenges where each BCS confrence had to participate vs 2 other confrences. Same type of format 1st vs 1st same determination of road / home. 1 match up would be early season before confrence schedules, the other mid season (ratings bonanza). Top finishing Non BCS teams, and independents (ND) would have an opportunity to fill in holes if they chose to do so.
Immagine the SEC #1 playing in B10 Country on a sloppy cold late October evening.
To me this would make the reg season that much more meaningfull and even more questions.
I think this and a plus one championship game would be very exciting and add to what is already the greatest sport in America.
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SEC, ACC, B1G, P12 make an agreement for a one off after a Conference championship game.
Tell P12 and B1G to add two more teams.
Leave it at that. However, if a conference wanted to add two more teams and go to four divisions, they could add two rounds of in-conference playoffs for extra revenue.
Tell P12 and B1G to add two more teams.
Leave it at that. However, if a conference wanted to add two more teams and go to four divisions, they could add two rounds of in-conference playoffs for extra revenue.
ssckelley
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Yeah, I have a tough time seeing these bowls like the Rose & Sugar giving up their traditional conference tie ins but the Rose bowl has made concessions before when they formed this BCS.
But I do think they add the Cotton Bowl as an additional BCS game. They need to play all these games back on New Years Day and push the other little bowls back into December. Then have the +1 BCS bowl played 2 weeks after with the announcement made by 5 pm on January 2nd.
That's my theory anyway.
But I do think they add the Cotton Bowl as an additional BCS game. They need to play all these games back on New Years Day and push the other little bowls back into December. Then have the +1 BCS bowl played 2 weeks after with the announcement made by 5 pm on January 2nd.
That's my theory anyway.
BSpringsteen
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All conf. go to 14 teams, and no more conf championship games.
Each conference plays the full conference (13 games) and one out of conference game for a 14 game regular season schedule. You actually get the real conference champion.
Winners of the 4 have a playoff, with the first round being home field. Final game continues to rotate between Miami, Arizona, New Orleans and LA.
BCS Bowls get the #2 finishers of each conference.
Each conference plays the full conference (13 games) and one out of conference game for a 14 game regular season schedule. You actually get the real conference champion.
Winners of the 4 have a playoff, with the first round being home field. Final game continues to rotate between Miami, Arizona, New Orleans and LA.
BCS Bowls get the #2 finishers of each conference.
DwayneTwill
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Leave the BT and P12 alone. Tell other conferences to cut teams.
hawkeye12345
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4-Team Playoff System:
Top 4 BCS ranked teams face off in a 1 vs 4, 2 vs 3 format. With the respective winners of each game playing in teh National Championship and the losers are finished for the year. This adds one more game for only two teams in each season so academics (rolling on the floor right now) wouldn't be jeopardized.
The location for the first round games will be two current bowl locations that rotate annually between the (pick any number) bowl locations. These locations will be up for bid each year similar to what they do for the Super Bowl location. Locations will be set in advance (two to four years out) so advance tickets, hotel reservations, etc can be booked well in advance.
The championship location will rotate in a similar fashion as well. Locations like Detroit would certainly be in play which they should be imo.
The 1 vs 4, 2 vs 3 game will kick off the bowl season and begin one day prior to the earliest bowl - this year that date would be Friday, December 16th. The two games would be the only games on TV. One would start at 4 PM Central and the other would be at 7:30 PM central.
Attendance shouldn't be an issue for either of these two games and TV audience would be much higher than current TV audience for these respective bowl games. Which do you think will draw a higher audience; Beef 'O' Brady's Bowl with Marshall v Florida Intl' or the same bowl with Alabama and Oklahoma State (2 v 3 game)?
Its simple, it makes money for all involved, TV audience goes up, it creates a clear cut champion. It won't happen.
Top 4 BCS ranked teams face off in a 1 vs 4, 2 vs 3 format. With the respective winners of each game playing in teh National Championship and the losers are finished for the year. This adds one more game for only two teams in each season so academics (rolling on the floor right now) wouldn't be jeopardized.
The location for the first round games will be two current bowl locations that rotate annually between the (pick any number) bowl locations. These locations will be up for bid each year similar to what they do for the Super Bowl location. Locations will be set in advance (two to four years out) so advance tickets, hotel reservations, etc can be booked well in advance.
The championship location will rotate in a similar fashion as well. Locations like Detroit would certainly be in play which they should be imo.
The 1 vs 4, 2 vs 3 game will kick off the bowl season and begin one day prior to the earliest bowl - this year that date would be Friday, December 16th. The two games would be the only games on TV. One would start at 4 PM Central and the other would be at 7:30 PM central.
Attendance shouldn't be an issue for either of these two games and TV audience would be much higher than current TV audience for these respective bowl games. Which do you think will draw a higher audience; Beef 'O' Brady's Bowl with Marshall v Florida Intl' or the same bowl with Alabama and Oklahoma State (2 v 3 game)?
Its simple, it makes money for all involved, TV audience goes up, it creates a clear cut champion. It won't happen.
DwayneTwill
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No one wants to go to Detroit.
SirJamaLot
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ColoradoHAWKEYE
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olivecourt
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Saturday, December 10
Selection committee ranks five conference champions and chooses three at-large team. I don't give the Big East an auto bid.
8. Boise State (at large) at 1. LSU (SEC champ)
7. Clemson (ACC Champ) at 2. Alabama (at-large)
6. Stanford (at-large) at 3. Oklahoma State (Big 12 champ)
5. Wisconsin (Big 10 champ) at 4. Oregon (Pac 12 champ)
Saturday, December 31
Rose, Fiesta, Sugar, and Orange rotate hosting semifinal games. All other bowls choose teams as normal after the first playoff weekend.
Rose Bowl: Wisco/Oregon winner vs. Boise/LSU winner
Fiesta Bowl: Stanford/Ok. State winner vs. Clemson/Alabama winner
Saturday, January 7
Championship game: Rose Bowl winner vs. Fiesta winner
Tell me you wouldn't watch this over what we have this year. It actually shortens the season by two days.
Selection committee ranks five conference champions and chooses three at-large team. I don't give the Big East an auto bid.
8. Boise State (at large) at 1. LSU (SEC champ)
7. Clemson (ACC Champ) at 2. Alabama (at-large)
6. Stanford (at-large) at 3. Oklahoma State (Big 12 champ)
5. Wisconsin (Big 10 champ) at 4. Oregon (Pac 12 champ)
Saturday, December 31
Rose, Fiesta, Sugar, and Orange rotate hosting semifinal games. All other bowls choose teams as normal after the first playoff weekend.
Rose Bowl: Wisco/Oregon winner vs. Boise/LSU winner
Fiesta Bowl: Stanford/Ok. State winner vs. Clemson/Alabama winner
Saturday, January 7
Championship game: Rose Bowl winner vs. Fiesta winner
Tell me you wouldn't watch this over what we have this year. It actually shortens the season by two days.
shonblatt
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You can have an 8 team playoff, while keeping the bowls pretty much just as they are.
Go back to the 4 traditional BCS games, with the following eligibility rules:
1. Keep the conference auto-qualifiers system
2. Fill in at-large teams with the highest ranked non-auto-qualifiers
3. Teams must be ranked in the top 14 to automatically qualify (sorry ACC and Big East, you're out.)
So this year it would look like this:
Sugar: #1 LSU (SEC) vs. #7 Boise State (at large 4)
Fiesta: #3 Oklahoma State (Big 12) vs. #4 Stanford (at large 2)
Rose: #5 Oregon (Pac 12) vs. #10 Wisconsin (Big Ten)
Orange: #2 Alabama (at large 1) vs. #6 Arkansas (at large 3)
Yes, the seedings aren't very bracket-like, but this is a compromise to keep the conference affiliations in place where possible.
Play these games, then take the winners to a neutral site, reseed them, and play a Final Four. Semi-finals will be played on 1/7, championship game on 1/14.
These BCS bowl games all lost a lost of luster once it was determined that a new game should be set up for 1 vs. 2. It used to be that one of all of these games were important in deciding who the best team was.
It can be that way again. Imagine the revenue this would generate.
Go back to the 4 traditional BCS games, with the following eligibility rules:
1. Keep the conference auto-qualifiers system
2. Fill in at-large teams with the highest ranked non-auto-qualifiers
3. Teams must be ranked in the top 14 to automatically qualify (sorry ACC and Big East, you're out.)
So this year it would look like this:
Sugar: #1 LSU (SEC) vs. #7 Boise State (at large 4)
Fiesta: #3 Oklahoma State (Big 12) vs. #4 Stanford (at large 2)
Rose: #5 Oregon (Pac 12) vs. #10 Wisconsin (Big Ten)
Orange: #2 Alabama (at large 1) vs. #6 Arkansas (at large 3)
Yes, the seedings aren't very bracket-like, but this is a compromise to keep the conference affiliations in place where possible.
Play these games, then take the winners to a neutral site, reseed them, and play a Final Four. Semi-finals will be played on 1/7, championship game on 1/14.
These BCS bowl games all lost a lost of luster once it was determined that a new game should be set up for 1 vs. 2. It used to be that one of all of these games were important in deciding who the best team was.
It can be that way again. Imagine the revenue this would generate.
If its going to be a +1 involving only 4 teams which is the only reasonable chance in the near future, make it only conference champions. If your only involving 4 teams the NC should be a conference champ. These teams don't play each other, so is one conferences 11-1 team really better than another conference champ's 10-2 team? We don't know.
And I am so tired of hearing about the eyeball test. Football was never meant to be judged like figure skating or gymnastics.
Oh by the way, screw ND make them join a conference to have a chance!
And I am so tired of hearing about the eyeball test. Football was never meant to be judged like figure skating or gymnastics.
Oh by the way, screw ND make them join a conference to have a chance!
Bigtenchamp
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Division II, III, IAA ect ect dont have problems with finals..
DwayneTwill
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You realize that's how football has been since the very beginning, right? That's like saying that football was never meant to have end zones.
