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HawkPowerlifter

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I see some postings about Indiana not participating in The Wave. Said Peacock cut away in part because of this during the intermission. Any thoughts on this? Secondly, what are you guys' thoughts on Cignetti?

My two cents, in some ways, it's a teams right to not participate. It's an U of I thing. On the other hand, it's become almost a nationally recognized tradition to do so and it's bigger than the game in my opinion. But just wanted to see what others thought of this.

As for Cignetti, he seems to have a little "Fran McCaffery" in him. Seems to have a little bit of arrogance to him. I don't know how to take him. On one end, I think he is a hard nosed football coach. On the other end, I maybe think he's kind of prick. Some of his post Illini comments seemed to take shots at them. His comment when asked about what he would remember about his first visit to Kinnick was Sarratt running into the endzone for the go ahead touchdown.

Just doesn't seem like a genuine or gracious type of coach. I don't think I'm much of a fan. I guess I've always been taught to win with grace and lose with class and dignity.
 


HawkPowerlifter said:
I see some postings about Indiana not participating in The Wave. Said Peacock cut away in part because of this during the intermission. Any thoughts on this? Secondly, what are you guys' thoughts on Cignetti?

My two cents, in some ways, it's a teams right to not participate. It's an U of I thing. On the other hand, it's become almost a nationally recognized tradition to do so and it's bigger than the game in my opinion. But just wanted to see what others thought of this.

As for Cignetti, he seems to have a little "Fran McCaffery" in him. Seems to have a little bit of arrogance to him. I don't know how to take him. On one end, I think he is a hard nosed football coach. On the other end, I maybe think he's kind of prick. Some of his post Illini comments seemed to take shots at them. His comment when asked about what he would remember about his first visit to Kinnick was Sarratt running into the endzone for the go ahead touchdown.

Just doesn't seem like a genuine or gracious type of coach. I don't think I'm much of a fan. I guess I've always been taught to win with grace and lose with class and dignity.
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I was there, Indiana players were huddled out on the field and did not wave. I didn't see Cignetti specifically that I could pick out, but most of the people on their sideline did not wave. To be honest, the game was dicey at that point and while I like the concept of the wave, I also understand trying to take advantage of a free timeout. Cignetti strikes me as the type of guy to try and eliminate any and all distractions to what his team is trying to accomplish.

As with the Anthem, I could not possibly care less what other people do. I keep my side of the street clean and that's all I can worry about. Life is too short to waste a single second being mad about something that has no affect on me. If they want everyone to wave, then the NCAA needs to add a 30 second stoppage that's just for that...as long as both teams get the same amount of time I don't see what the problem would be.

Cignetti, as long as he's not being abusive or anything like that I'm fine with him being a dickhead. Fran was a huge dickhead to pretty much everyone and his players loved the guy. That's all that counts. Don't cheat, don't be abusive, and you can be all the asshole you want. If I was Goetz after the season was over I'd offer double his salary and ask for donor forgiveness later.
 




College football has changed so much that I no longer get worked up about any of it. An athletic competition that rewards the teams with the most money has lost me completely.

Hell, even the NFL tries to even the playing field for all teams. When will college football fix this broken mess?
 


I remember when Kirk didn't have the Iowa team wave in the beginning.

Anyway, that dude is coaching to be the best he can. Seems he is taking every opportunity to advance his career. Seems to me, Indiana coach has a internal drive built in him.

However, I do wonder how he'll do without his 5th and 6th year transfers. Make a big enough splash in the beginning and hope recruiting pans outs I guess. Bravo for him. Wrecking ball.
 


I saw a TikTok on this and in the picture I say it looked like a lot of the IU players were bunched up and you could definitely tell they were locked in on the game, but it looked as though some smaller groups of players away from the rest were waiving, but obviously I could be totally wrong, based on the what those who were actually at the game saw first hand, and tbh I wasn't able to give the game my undivided attention until half time. That said, while I see it as a great thing overall, in reality it is a bit of a distraction for those participating in the game. So after that long winded answer I'll say that I don't see it as a sign of disrespect or think negatively of any opponent that doesn't participate, but I do enjoy seeing those that due participate and think its a special moment that means that much more when they do.
 


I'll go against the grain a little here.

While I completely respect a coach and/or team's right to make the decision not to participate, I feel that choosing to do so reflects on their values and priorities. Some things just transcend sports.

It would be like saying that a person with a Type-A personality that excels at day-trading should get a pass for ignoring the beating of a child while walking to work because his priority it to get to his computer on time, or any one of the numerous people that decide it's better for them to video an assault rather than step in because they might be able to sell the video to a news network.

Taking a few minutes to wave and recognize kids that may be dying from cancer is simply the right thing to do.
 


Fryowa said:
I was there, Indiana players were huddled out on the field and did not wave. I didn't see Cignetti specifically that I could pick out, but most of the people on their sideline did not wave. To be honest, the game was dicey at that point and while I like the concept of the wave, I also understand trying to take advantage of a free timeout. Cignetti strikes me as the type of guy to try and eliminate any and all distractions to what his team is trying to accomplish.

As with the Anthem, I could not possibly care less what other people do. I keep my side of the street clean and that's all I can worry about. Life is too short to waste a single second being mad about something that has no affect on me. If they want everyone to wave, then the NCAA needs to add a 30 second stoppage that's just for that...as long as both teams get the same amount of time I don't see what the problem would be.

Cignetti, as long as he's not being abusive or anything like that I'm fine with him being a dickhead. Fran was a huge dickhead to pretty much everyone and his players loved the guy. That's all that counts. Don't cheat, don't be abusive, and you can be all the asshole you want. If I was Goetz after the season was over I'd offer double his salary and ask for donor forgiveness later.
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I watched the sections populated by Indiana fans. Their response was enthusiastic waves. That was a good thing. I loved it when Rutgers did a wave celebration. I noticed the Indy players and coaches did not wave. Their choice. Me? No loss of sleep.
 


HuckFinn said:
I watched the sections populated by Indiana fans. Their response was enthusiastic waves. That was a good thing. I loved it when Rutgers did a wave celebration. I noticed the Indy players and coaches did not wave. Their choice. Me? No loss of sleep.
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When I was waiting at the gates I got approached by two mid-60 ish Indiana fans asking me where the hospital was (they had never been to IC before) and what direction it was from their seats. They said that was the reason they came was to experience the wave. Super nice people and never had a bad experience with any of their fans. The only people I ever saw not waving were the players and staff. Like you said, their choice.
 


kicker22 said:
I saw a TikTok on this and in the picture I say it looked like a lot of the IU players were bunched up and you could definitely tell they were locked in on the game, but it looked as though some smaller groups of players away from the rest were waiving, but obviously I could be totally wrong, based on the what those who were actually at the game saw first hand, and tbh I wasn't able to give the game my undivided attention until half time. That said, while I see it as a great thing overall, in reality it is a bit of a distraction for those participating in the game. So after that long winded answer I'll say that I don't see it as a sign of disrespect or think negatively of any opponent that doesn't participate, but I do enjoy seeing those that due participate and think its a special moment that means that much more when they do.
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Yep. There’s a hell of a lot of moving parts to a football game that’s in progress. Tough to give up a free time out in my opinion.

If they want to make it a thing for everyone, do a 30 second stoppage just for that and give both teams the normal time between quarters. Win/win
 


Fryowa said:
When I was waiting at the gates I got approached by two mid-60 ish Indiana fans asking me where the hospital was (they had never been to IC before) and what direction it was from their seats. They said that was the reason they came was to experience the wave. Super nice people and never had a bad experience with any of their fans. The only people I ever saw not waving were the players and staff. Like you said, their choice.
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Crazy that someone would come strictly for the wave with football being a distant second, but to each their own. It's definitely one of the better traditions in football and probably by far the best cause.
 




kicker22 said:
Crazy that someone would come strictly for the wave with football being a distant second, but to each their own. It's definitely one of the better traditions in football and probably by far the best cause.
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They were definitely Indiana football fans who have traveled to games before, they were telling me about their experiences at some other stadiums and touring the Rose Bowl, etc. I took it to mean something like this might have been their one road game for the year and they chose Iowa to do the wave in person.
 


dagdaj said:
I will fiercely defend a team's right to not participate in the Wave and not judge them negatively if they do not. At the same time, I'll fiercely praise any team that does.
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Yup. If you're doing it because you think you have to, you're doing it for the wrong reason anyway.
 




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