Corruption and Football

College football in general is a scam. Universities "enrich themselves" to the tune of $100 million in revenue every year on the hard work and sweat of young men. And in exchange for what? Under the guise of an "education" that would cost less than $50,000 for an in-state player and no more than $200,000 for an out-of-state player? The NCAA similarly enriches themselves through TV deals, sponsorship, etc while simultaneously treating players (like Drew Ott) like shit who bring them the money in the first place.
 
STLhawkeye20 said:
College football in general is a scam. Universities "enrich themselves" to the tune of $100 million in revenue every year on the hard work and sweat of young men. And in exchange for what? Under the guise of an "education" that would cost less than $50,000 for an in-state player and no more than $200,000 for an out-of-state player? The NCAA similarly enriches themselves through TV deals, sponsorship, etc while simultaneously treating players (like Drew Ott) like shit who bring them the money in the first place.
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While it is my favorite sport, you hit it on the head here. And that is just judging on the things we know about. Every major program in the country probably has some coach or person in the athletic department with dirty hands. Its just a matter of who and how hard someone looks to find it.
 
lightning1 said:
At least they give them a real education in most of these colleges. Unlike UNC-CHeat.
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HA. A real education! A REAL education! Let me check my pulse.

Let me tell you a little anecdote from my time as an undergrad.

I sat next to an athlete (we won't name names) in one of my financial-related classes.

On the final examination, one of the questions basically gave us a dozen parties and asked us to calculate what the respective parties would earn after a cash-out tender offer merger between two large corporations involving multiple steps.

Very complex stuff. Didn't go so well for me.

Now, let's just say the athlete got a modified version of the final examination. I remember looking over at his exam because out of the corner of my eye because it was noticeably different than mine.

His exam consisted of one question: "In your opinion, why is accounting important in the business world?"

No joke.

It didn't bother me because I understand that most college athletes (at least in football and basketball at D1 schools) aren't there to get a "real education."

There are two kinds of student athletes: (1) those who realize their careers are over after college and try to make the most of their education (e.g. Mike Gesell), and (2) those that were never there for the education in the first place, don't want the education, simply want a chance at going pro and get a free pass.
 
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Xerxes said:
While it is my favorite sport, you hit it on the head here. And that is just judging on the things we know about. Every major program in the country probably has some coach or person in the athletic department with dirty hands. Its just a matter of who and how hard someone looks to find it.
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Totally agree. I hate to think about what goes on at the smaller programs where the NCAA isn't even fishing around for a violation to make an example out of.
 
STLhawkeye20 said:
HA. A real education! A REAL education! Let me check my pulse.

Let me tell you a little anecdote from my time as an undergrad.

I sat next to an athlete (we won't name names) in one of my financial-related classes.

On the final examination, one of the questions basically gave us a dozen parties and asked us to calculate what the respective parties would earn after a cash-out tender offer merger between two large corporations involving multiple steps.

Very complex stuff. Didn't go so well for me.

Now, let's just say the athlete got a modified version of the final examination. I remember looking over at his exam because out of the corner of my eye because it was noticeably different than mine.

His exam consisted of one question: "In your opinion, why is accounting important in the business world?"

No joke.

It didn't bother me because I understand that most college athletes (at least in football and basketball at D1 schools) aren't there to get a "real education."

There are two kinds of student athletes: (1) those who realize their careers are over after college and try to make the most of their education (e.g. Mike Gesell), and (2) those that were never there for the education in the first place, don't want the education, simply want a chance at going pro and get a free pass.
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A good portion of football recruits simply aren't college material. It's kind of stupid that the only really option for continuing your football career after high school is to go to college. I see why some of them feel like they get nothing in return of playing since they view getting a college education as a burden instead of a reward.
 
I didnt read all the article but if Haden is guilty he is really stupid in this action based on his education; undergrad scholar, Rhodes Scholar, lawyer. Which only means he should be smart enough to know he cant hide this stuff and get away with it which is why I mean stupid.

Now to the OP title, can you imagine the brown bags of money and corruption in the 30's-60's prior to all the increased hype on college sports but lack of oversight?
 
Xerxes said:
While it is my favorite sport, you hit it on the head here. And that is just judging on the things we know about. Every major program in the country probably has some coach or person in the athletic department with dirty hands. Its just a matter of who and how hard someone looks to find it.
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You really wouldn't have to look that hard the NCAA has so many antiquated bylaws. A lot of the time you could violate one and not even know it.
 
uihawk82 said:
I didnt read all the article but if Haden is guilty he is really stupid in this action based on his education; undergrad scholar, Rhodes Scholar, lawyer. Which only means he should be smart enough to know he cant hide this stuff and get away with it which is why I mean stupid.

Now to the OP title, can you imagine the brown bags of money and corruption in the 30's-60's prior to all the increased hype on college sports but lack of oversight?
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This issue is that yes you can get away with it. He did, just not completely w/o trouble.. He was likely going to retire anyway. This kind of stuff goes on all the time in State/National Govt, Govt agencies, universities and so on.

It used to be that the media made themselves the 4th branch of Govt. Now with corporate ownership they don't do it anymore due to profits and getting blackballed. Coaches/universities punish the media. It takes something like OSU and a drug case to bring some of this to attention. The NCAA did little to OSU. They did a lot to Tressel. Same thing happened to Sampson in basketball.

The NCAA usually does as little as possible to keep from damaging the money stream as they can get away with. PSU should have been totally taken down, a lot like SMU and OU. Even then it took a WW2 Veteran of the 101st Airborne Silver Star recipient to stand up and do it. He was of the family that Saving Private Ryan was based on. His actions really kept the Germans out of Bastogne after his unit had been over run by tanks. He was the instigator behind the take down of the Pony Express and Switzer both. He was a Hall of Fame coach and the mentor of M's John Beilein and started the concept of basically having 2 point guards on the floor (Iowa can't get 1).

I didn't really think all this stuff went on until I worked for a University. Was a part of a major Govt grant funded study that also had private funders. They took unneeded trips on the grant for 1 thing staying in a posh hotel overseas. The study didn't go the way the private funders wanted and the results were never published. It's worse than that, but that's all I'll say. Also had a relative work for a hotel in a Big university town. The violations are rampant. Its just the way it is.

In college at an SEC school, I had a major athlete sitting beside me in a class. He didn't show up much. I did think it was terrible. Then I found out his mom was dying of cancer and died during the season. Things aren't always as they appear either way.
 
STLhawkeye20 said:
HA. A real education! A REAL education! Let me check my pulse.

Let me tell you a little anecdote from my time as an undergrad.

I sat next to an athlete (we won't name names) in one of my financial-related classes.

On the final examination, one of the questions basically gave us a dozen parties and asked us to calculate what the respective parties would earn after a cash-out tender offer merger between two large corporations involving multiple steps.

Very complex stuff. Didn't go so well for me.

Now, let's just say the athlete got a modified version of the final examination. I remember looking over at his exam because out of the corner of my eye because it was noticeably different than mine.

His exam consisted of one question: "In your opinion, why is accounting important in the business world?"

No joke.

It didn't bother me because I understand that most college athletes (at least in football and basketball at D1 schools) aren't there to get a "real education."

There are two kinds of student athletes: (1) those who realize their careers are over after college and try to make the most of their education (e.g. Mike Gesell), and (2) those that were never there for the education in the first place, don't want the education, simply want a chance at going pro and get a free pass.
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At least that athlete was IN CLASS and had to answer 1 QUESTION! Which none of them had to do at UNC-CHeat. And I will also add that the list of greased athletes at UNC-CHeat include some very bright athletes that would be capable of doing their own college course work. But they still didn't have to. Michael Jordan comes to mind right off the top of my head.
 
I am bothered by the reports of corruption so I need Bowl Season to arrive soon to take my mind away from all the stories about corruption. Because there is no corruption in the Bowl System.
 
Yeah the "foundation" word will now start to get new attention - as every corrupt scandal seems to have some term called foundation around it.
 
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