Compassion for the Apologists
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HawkeyeWalker
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Apologist here. Not sure the point of the thread. The apologists are just as angry and frustrated as any.
This season has been the most dissappointing of my life, thus far.
I didn't like the length of the contract extension.
Last year was awesome, minus the Rose Bowl (even the B1G championship was a helll of a game, although heartbreaking).
Again, what's your point? I still like and respect KF overall, I've always contended the pro's ultimately outweigh the con's. Maybe that will change...
I am not happy with many things concerning '16 Iowa Football, but it seems like you are taking some level of pleasure in Iowa losing, if for no other reason that to somehow say "see, I told ya".
Go Hawks.
-apologist
This season has been the most dissappointing of my life, thus far.
I didn't like the length of the contract extension.
Last year was awesome, minus the Rose Bowl (even the B1G championship was a helll of a game, although heartbreaking).
Again, what's your point? I still like and respect KF overall, I've always contended the pro's ultimately outweigh the con's. Maybe that will change...
I am not happy with many things concerning '16 Iowa Football, but it seems like you are taking some level of pleasure in Iowa losing, if for no other reason that to somehow say "see, I told ya".
Go Hawks.
-apologist
Joshbrown
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I guess the point is we should all take a moment to appreciate your contributions, as the board passes from your control over to a fanbase that is less forgiving and slightly more cynical.
Deano & Melrose and their ilk could silence any dissent on this board any time they wanted. That may be more difficult for a while and I wanted to cry some crocodile tears for them.
HawkeyeWalker
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Pass of control of the board? Lol.
So you hope Iowa continues to struggle, to keep some ludacris perceived "control" of a message board. Yeah, makes sense.
Congrats, I guess.
So you hope Iowa continues to struggle, to keep some ludacris perceived "control" of a message board. Yeah, makes sense.
Congrats, I guess.
Joshbrown
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Actually I hope the Univ of Iowa someday gets what it is paying for. I'm not in the group that wants what's best for a coach at the expense of the Univ. I think you may have moved a little on this topic judging from your recent posts. It's never good for a human to worship another human as a God. They tried it in Germany and it didn't work out so well.
theboat
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It's like having a junkie brother. You may not want him to die in a ditch, but you want him to hit his rock bottom so that he will want to change. Last summer, our junkie brother went to rehab and seemed to be making great strides in his life. But now he is hanging out with his old crew and falling back into the same routine.
tksirius
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Thank you for pointing this out.
Actually I hope the Univ of Iowa someday gets what it is paying for. I'm not in the group that wants what's best for a coach at the expense of the Univ. I think you may have moved a little on this topic judging from your recent posts. It's never good for a human to worship another human as a God. They tried it in Germany and it didn't work out so well.
hawkeyes87
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Question: What do you consider the pro's to be at this point?
I'll give you the "helluva guy, good representative for Iowa" point. But, most people would list all coaching-related points as con's right now. Does "helluva guy" outweigh coaching for you?
I think at some point after the height of the off-field problems (2009?) KF made a decision to avoid recruiting anyone who has the potential to be controversial and who doesn't fit the corporate profile (Iowa). Maybe this should be on the Eno B. thread, but I think it holds true for lack of talent at WR and the the lack of quality recruits coming in the past few years. He would rather recruit the perfect student athlete/citizen than take a risk. It is better to be mediocre than take a risk in his mind. Yes I am talking about marginal students, I doubt that KF would recruit some of the players Fry, or Evy had. But it is a risk that Iowa has to take to be competitive.
STILLBUSTER
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I get that there's a still a few pius superfans that try to play the good-fan / bad-fan but it seems to me that they're fewer and far between than ever before and extremely transparent. While Deano, et al can get pretty passionate, they're pretty solid in their takes and I don't sense them coming from that weak-ass rebuttal. When it comes to H-Walker, he's one of the best, most respected in terms of owning his position and acknowledging / accepting the other.
Josh - I've liked your threads and counter-posts of late. Seems you've been on the attack with valid points and, unlike a certain icky poster, sticking on point rather than chest-thumping, no-substance, ad hominem crap. This one's tipping toward the unnecessary, over-kill.
No need to sell out for the meaningless shock. The choir is growing on the merits; let it happen, man.
Josh - I've liked your threads and counter-posts of late. Seems you've been on the attack with valid points and, unlike a certain icky poster, sticking on point rather than chest-thumping, no-substance, ad hominem crap. This one's tipping toward the unnecessary, over-kill.
No need to sell out for the meaningless shock. The choir is growing on the merits; let it happen, man.
Joshbrown
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I hope I don't lose you as a fan. But when Iowa wins the pious ones (yes Deano) spend a lot of time telling everyone how they are not worthy. So this over-the-top thread is okay IMO. I was hoping the meme would help put things in perspective. The apologists take social media criticism too seriously and too personally.
SteveGarvey1
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Oregon, Notre Dame and MSU all suck this year too. It happens.
There is my apologist defense so far for this miserable season.
There is my apologist defense so far for this miserable season.
HuckFinn
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I am a big fan of KF who gets very frustrated with some of his actions. To sum up my concerns, its the wild swings in success (see, wins/losses) that we experience with his teams. Sometimes that is the overall record, sometimes its the losses to teams that we should very likely beat. I love consistency.
That said, he has coached some very fine teams, some outstanding players, has helped with progress on facilities, and has never had his character come under fire. Kids who play for him, even after they have moved on, speak highly of him. Those things, along with our solid graduation rates, all matter to me.
Right now, I wish he would fire Davis, hire a new coordinator and let him run the offense, and take a good look at our defensive scheme in light of the changes in offensive football at the D1 level.
That said, he has coached some very fine teams, some outstanding players, has helped with progress on facilities, and has never had his character come under fire. Kids who play for him, even after they have moved on, speak highly of him. Those things, along with our solid graduation rates, all matter to me.
Right now, I wish he would fire Davis, hire a new coordinator and let him run the offense, and take a good look at our defensive scheme in light of the changes in offensive football at the D1 level.
kicker22
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Like I've stated numerous times. I've been supportive of the staff and have spoken up for them quite a bit. That said, at what point is enough enough. We shouldn't have to continually defend their actions. Last year was great, but based off what we've seen since who's to say it wasn't a fluke. I'm just tired of looking for justification and rationalization and tired of supporting a staff that in all actuality is giving me no reason to support them.
Still love this team, but I find myself standing at the edge of the cliff, in terms of this staff, and can't truly decide whether to step back and ponder supporting them or join those ready for a change. Never been more frustrated with this staff's stubbornness than I am this season.
Depth at the skill positions has never been something we've had too much of and now we've lost a 4* RB. Can't wait to see this to take a positive spin.
Still love this team, but I find myself standing at the edge of the cliff, in terms of this staff, and can't truly decide whether to step back and ponder supporting them or join those ready for a change. Never been more frustrated with this staff's stubbornness than I am this season.
Depth at the skill positions has never been something we've had too much of and now we've lost a 4* RB. Can't wait to see this to take a positive spin.
deanvogs
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Sighhhh....once again little old JoshBrown is a coming at me.
HN has grown to be a place where irrational thoughts and childish rants reign supreme, and Josh you are the poster boy of this.
I have criticized KF many times, Greg Davis, the staff, game plans, offensive and defensive strategies and the like. Yet it seems it is never enough for the haters like you. If it isn't over the top and childish, it just isn't enough. You can keep coming with the childish rants, and attacks at me, and I will just keep swatting you away like the annoying little pest that you are.
hawkeyes87
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So to summarize, you're a big fan of KF, but you don't like his offense or his defense.
--------Oregon, Notre Dame and MSU all suck this year too. It happens.
You sound like the fan who makes fun of Iowa State losing to UNI the same day we lose to some punk we should have drilled....I don't give a rats ass what other teams are falling on hard times....that does nothing to make Iowa's lot better!!!
You sound like the fan who makes fun of Iowa State losing to UNI the same day we lose to some punk we should have drilled....I don't give a rats ass what other teams are falling on hard times....that does nothing to make Iowa's lot better!!!
DBAHawkFan
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It does happen. And it sometimes happens when expectations are high, as ours were for this year with what we had coming back and with what some of the changes KF "kind of" made last year. We were hoping for more progression in what we saw last year (going for points at end of half was one of the biggest for me).
The issue most of us are having is that it's been a pattern with KF and let downs. It seems like when the chips are down, KF manages to pull out a decent season and tease us all with what can be (not saying 12-0 every year). Instead, we have gone so far backward this year that no one can figure out how the #%#% we won all of regular season games.
We are not OSU, MI, AL. But I think we can be MSU, WI, OK, hell, even NE before last year. Where barring major injuries or horrible off recruiting cycles, we finish at worst 8-4.
Know many of us bring it up, but WI and MSU have taken advantage of so many circumstances. OSU NCAA penalties, MI football being down to help with some success, but they continue to win 9-10-11 games a season....with the occasional stinker season thrown in.
I know I'd take WI results over ours the past 5-7 years. Same with MSU
What is our excuse for such average football when these schools have the same limitations as us? To me it comes down to recruiting and schemes/coaching. These other schools dont' accept 7-5 as good as it gets. They demand championships, and they have delivered on that (conference)
So yes while a down year does happen to a lot of schools, it seems like we have it more often than not. Our outlier is the good season.
HawkeyeWalker
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I still believe he's one of the best developers. I also believe his integrity and stubbornness is both admirable and infuriating. He runs a clean program, and he's fielded teams that are some of the best Hawkeye teams in a 100 year history. Just my opinions, some disagree, that's fine.
I also believe his loyalty has been a curse and a blessing, his clock management lacking at times, his approach to the yute of today (my cousin Vinny yute) is lacking, and he keeps Greg Davis on staff...which I believe will ultimately be his undoing if he continues, contract or not.
BigD
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I could fly with that rational just as long as KF would do all the things you suggest. The problem is that he is extremely stubborn and is not likely to change. I respect KF for all the things that you brought up, but if it is his intention to maintain the status quo then he needs to step down and resign for the good of the program and fan good will.
If he doesn't care to adapt and gives every the finger then he and his family needs to be induced into leaving the program. Let's see what happens at the end of the season With the offensive coordinator position.
All I can say is KF and Barta can thank God they are not coaching some of these SEC teams or else they would be fearing for their lives down here. Some of these fans down here are off there rocker.
