CJ Hilliard gone

hawkdrummer1 said:
More players leave our program than any other in the Big Ten over the last five years..and it's not even close. Event the biggest deniers have to admit, there must be a reason.
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I'd like to see how the other big ten schools rank. You have a link for this? Post if you do.
 
Thanks for the link. In the end it's all speculation as to what KFs problem(s) are. Players leaving, quality of the recruit, game day, same play calling etc. Or all combined. For me it's just easier to look at wins and who we haven't beat.
 
Clark said:
It seems that this is as simple as neither side has any reason to be together anymore. Iowa didn't land CJ's brother and he's not going to play.
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Just moronic recruiting to think Ike Hilliard has any eligibility left. Yeah, the guy is older than me and would have been our best receiver, but we gotta stop taking flyers like this.
 
I don't think it's Ferentz. IMHO it's somebody else thats turning these young players off.

I think this whole "hard work beats talent" mantra going on down there could be a big part of the problem.
 
hawkinduckland said:
Using the fact that we've yet to see a practice photo of CJ with a carry, he's was probably sitting number 7 on the rotation. As for your "Kirk can only relate to small town IA kids" he was sitting behind (in no order):

Daniels - Warren, OH
Canzeri - Troy, NY
Wadley - Newark, NJ
Graham - Prattville, AL
Mitchell - St. Louis, MO
Joly - Myattsville, MD.

Not very many "small town Iowa walk-on types" in front of him.
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Boom. Lol law.
 
Kids leave because they are not in the top two or three on the depth chart. I do not care where we rank on transfers. Look at where the transfers end up when they leave Iowa...anyone going to power 5 conferences? Cody S., yes. Also, even those who have success end up in small colleges. And, there are legit personal stories out there. Largely, this data is another lame excuse to bash Iowa football. But, there are a number of legit reasons to level criticism...this is likely not one of them.
 
^That's all fine and dandy, but it still doesn't explain why Iowa's attrition rate is the worst in the conference.
 
News flash Huck - most rosters in college football are stacked with MORE talent than Iowa's, not less. See the AP top 25 and you see their two deeps are loaded with experienced guys and 4 star recruits. For some reason, their redshirt freshmen, who are sitting at 4th team on the depth chart, don't bolt in droves. They buy into the system and know that they will be treated fairly and get their shot, so they put in the work and stay with the team. This is an Iowa epidemic, not a matter of being down on the depth chart. Hell, Ohio State's 3rd string QB is the 3rd best qb in the entire conference, and he didn't bolt. Iowa's second team QB did. What does that tell you about coaches?


HuckFinn said:
Kids leave because they are not in the top two or three on the depth chart. I do not care where we rank on transfers. Look at where the transfers end up when they leave Iowa...anyone going to power 5 conferences? Cody S., yes. Also, even those who have success end up in small colleges. And, there are legit personal stories out there. Largely, this data is another lame excuse to bash Iowa football. But, there are a number of legit reasons to level criticism...this is likely not one of them.
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HuckFinn said:
Kids leave because they are not in the top two or three on the depth chart. I do not care where we rank on transfers. Look at where the transfers end up when they leave Iowa...anyone going to power 5 conferences? Cody S., yes. Also, even those who have success end up in small colleges. And, there are legit personal stories out there. Largely, this data is another lame excuse to bash Iowa football. But, there are a number of legit reasons to level criticism...this is likely not one of them.
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I think having that high of an attrition rate is a big deal. With thin recruiting margins as it is, Iowa can't really afford to be losing a large percentage of its recruiting classes each year. The question is - Why is it happening? Lack of playing time? Maybe, but isn't that true at every other school and the losses aren't as significant. It is also true that most of the players who leave the program do not go on to be better elsewhere (or even play in some cases), even at "inferior" schools, sort of affirming that they might not have been good enough to play at Iowa, either. Maybe Iowa doesn't try to talk kids into staying once they've brought up transferring; maybe it's seen as a disloyalty thing. Any other thoughts as to why this is occurring?
 
iowalaw said:
Remember when Kirk tapped into the football program's unlimited resources and added a new position on the football team designed to prevent attrition and keep kids out of trouble? Chik Ejziosi or something like that (he was a backup cb on the team maybe 15 yrs ago). That experiment has clearly failed. I hate to say it, but it appears that Kirk can't relate to kids who aren't from small town Iowa/SD/Neb, preferably 8 man players. Athletes from urban areas come to Iowa with high hopes, see that they will be playing behind small town walk on types like Bo Bower or Mark Weissmann for several years regardless of talent, and they bolt. This has been a trend for years at Iowa.

Hilliard is a 3 star athletic recruit who actually had power conference offers! Even if he was at the bottom of the RB depth chart, any coach with half a brain would have convinced him that he could contribute right away at another position. Aren't we super thin at CB? Safety? WR? Instead, one of the highest rated recruits on our low in talent roster is gone because the coach just couldn't relate.
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Do you mean Chico Carrasquel? He played baseball for the White Sox back in the 1950s, along with Bubba Phillips.
 
OH MY GAWD..............we lost our 11th string Running back/scat/slash/Slash?

Why didn't someone tell me? Oh my Gosh, I might have to get drunk tonite


LMAO
 
today my facebook memories referenced this guy's commitment from 10 years ago. I had to find out what ever happened to him
 
He's a doctoral student in clinical psychology at Adler University. He's also a board member for an institution that studies pediatric mental health. I guess he did alright for himself.
 
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