Christian Vital down to UConn, Iowa & Louisville

[Hawk5656]

I don't know anything about Moore. But Vital narrowed his list to 5 and then narrowed it to 3. We are on that list of 3. And why in the world would he give Iowa a "courtesy" visit? Your Vital comments are baseless.

Iowa isn't in a recruiting rut...more fiction. I'm looking forward to seeing what Bohannon can do. I put more stock in Fran's ability to evaluate talent than yours...be it Bohannon, Trent, Goodwin or anyone else.

To be fair Fran missed on a lot of PG's before he offered Bohannon

 

[Thawki]

I'm going to nit pick with you on Uthoff... I don't think he transferred to Iowa because he thought Iowa was going to be better then he'd thought. I think he thought Wisky was just a terrible fit for him. Between their coach and style of play he just knew after redshirting it just wasn't going to work so coming home from there when Iowa would wanted him from the git go only made sense. Iowa got better much because of him coming too. He pushed White in practice that year he had to sit out hard I think.

I have a hard time believing you are correct on this. It isn't like there wasn't a long history of what that program was like or what the coach was like. Why would someone go into Wisconsin and not understand what to expect? But there was no track record of what Fran was at Iowa or would be at the time Uthoff decided.

 

[jparmley3]

I may be in the minority here but I do not see Iowa landing any of the these prospects, Moore seems like a kid that will be swayed to stay now that Tubby Smith is there and roster openings suggest early playing time for Charlie. I think Charlie's height is exaggerated at 5'11". More like 5'9.5". Charlie is quick and has good handles and streaky stroke but how would he do against bigger guards. Charlie gets compared to Tyler Ulis but Tyler was All American material and Charlie is 4 star material. I would still take 4 star material over what Iowa has now.

Vital seems likely to either commit to UCONN (where he has a couple of friends playing) or Louisville (East Coast comfort zone and BB history). Iowa looks like a courtesy call and a way to force UCONN or Louisville from slow playing their hand for Vital.

Fran and his staff have been a recruiting rut as Iowa has only gotten Iowa kids and marginal neighboring/conference state recruits to come to Iowa. The recruitment of Moss and Hutton seemed like a good sign of progress of Iowa getting back into Chicago , especially the Public League where 4 and 5 star talent usually comes from in IL. Tyler Cook is a another example of Iowa's work to network the St.Louis area for basketball talent. Still, Iowa needs to land at least one 4 star quality player per year if Iowa ever wants to win its conference or advance to the Sweet 16/ Elite 8. Getting mainly Iowa HS prospects is not a recipe for great success as the college game is faster and more demanding. I am not sold on Jordan Bohannon as a PG because he is barely 6'0" tall and not very quick. Is Bohannon another Brady Ellingson with better ball handling skills? Time will tell.

I am not a fan of Spike Albrecht due to his health condition nor the idea of a 5th year grad coming in to eat minutes from developing players. CW needs the minutes to develop into a team leader at PG. Moss could lend his hand to covering the PG spot for a short breather and Bohannon might average 6 to 9 minutes per game in mop up duties/spelling CW. Next year's club is about team growth and learning to win. A 5th year grad is looking for starter's minutes (25+) or a big role on a tournament run club. Neither is what Iowa is about. I vote on banking the scholarship and looking at getting a 4 star athlete (guard) that can impact the team from their first day on campus. 2017 5 star Gary Trent, Jr. is totally out of Iowa's scope as he is destined for a blue blood program and he's is a likely one and done kid. Iowa needs a kid like Jordan Goodwin. He is higher rated than Connor McC. He can play multiple spots, has very good ball handling skills, quickness, a strong defender and a very good athlete. He plays in an uptempo HS offense that compares favorably to the college game and Fran's desired style. Goodwin is a better athlete than most of Iowa's BB roster and he was a AAU teammate of Tyler Cook. Goodwin is from the IL side of St. Louis area and will likely be Mr. Basketball in IL next year. He should have been named that this year.

Iowa needs to land better talent before Mizzou and ILL-Annoy find new HCs and awakens from their current nightmares.

100%

a) Moore is not coming to Iowa.
b) Brady Ellingson is never, ever going to be a B1G star.
c) Bohannon has better skills than BE and will be a poor man's Gesell with a much better J.
d) CV will never play a minute for Iowa.

EDIT

e) Pemsl will never average better numbers than Woody did in 15-16 in any season. He has never impressed me on film or in person. He was just outkicking the coverage on him via the Iowa HS hoops landscape in Eastern IA.

 

[deanvogs]

100%

a) Moore is not coming to Iowa.
b) Brady Ellingson is never, ever going to be a B1G star.
c) Bohannon has better skills than BE and will be a poor man's Gesell with a much better J.
d) CV will never play a minute for Iowa.

EDIT

e) Pemsl will never average better numbers than Woody did in 15-16 in any season. He has never impressed me on film or in person. He was just outkicking the coverage on him via the Iowa HS hoops landscape in Eastern IA.

I kind of agree on Moore and Vital, I think we miss on both. I think that is ok, and if you have the time listen to the Kakart podcast that they just did. They had Gesell and Clemmons on and they both raved about Williams and how good he can be at the PG. I think he is going to be playing 25-30 MPG there with Bohannon getting 10-15 min behind him.

If Pemsl avg. 6-8 RPG during his career that would be great. Not everyone is going to play 30 MPG, and if Pemsl can come in and do his job and turn into a good strong post defender who rebounds, there is a place for that on every team.

 

[PCHawk]

I kind of agree on Moore and Vital, I think we miss on both. I think that is ok, and if you have the time listen to the Kakart podcast that they just did. They had Gesell and Clemmons on and they both raved about Williams and how good he can be at the PG. I think he is going to be playing 25-30 MPG there with Bohannon getting 10-15 min behind him.

If Pemsl avg. 6-8 RPG during his career that would be great. Not everyone is going to play 30 MPG, and if Pemsl can come in and do his job and turn into a good strong post defender who rebounds, there is a place for that on every team.

I listened to that yesterday and was thinking about starting a thread on it. Really worth the listen. Like your said, they both raved about Williams and talked about him very possibly being the second scoring option behind Jok. They also talked about Moss in practice and said there are times where he goes off like Jok does. (Meaning scores in bunches) It sounds like we should be alright at the guard spot next year.

 

[ArvadaHawk]

I kind of agree on Moore and Vital, I think we miss on both. I think that is ok, and if you have the time listen to the Kakart podcast that they just did. They had Gesell and Clemmons on and they both raved about Williams and how good he can be at the PG. I think he is going to be playing 25-30 MPG there with Bohannon getting 10-15 min behind him.

If Pemsl avg. 6-8 RPG during his career that would be great. Not everyone is going to play 30 MPG, and if Pemsl can come in and do his job and turn into a good strong post defender who rebounds, there is a place for that on every team.

I have a bit more of an expectation for Pemsl. With his ability to run the floor and outside range, I think he will become a double digit scorer.

 

[WindsorHawk]

100%

a) Moore is not coming to Iowa.
b) Brady Ellingson is never, ever going to be a B1G star.
c) Bohannon has better skills than BE and will be a poor man's Gesell with a much better J.
d) CV will never play a minute for Iowa.

EDIT

e) Pemsl will never average better numbers than Woody did in 15-16 in any season. He has never impressed me on film or in person. He was just outkicking the coverage on him via the Iowa HS hoops landscape in Eastern IA.

a - Probably right
b - Few "stars" on any team...but could be a solid contributor
c - Bohannon is going to be...Bohannon
d - Speculation...not fact as presented
e - Speculation...to be determined.

You're stating your opinions and speculation as facts. None of your post is based in fact...definition below.

Fact - A thing that is indisputably the case

 

[Hawkfnntn]

I have a hard time believing you are correct on this. It isn't like there wasn't a long history of what that program was like or what the coach was like. Why would someone go into Wisconsin and not understand what to expect? But there was no track record of what Fran was at Iowa or would be at the time Uthoff decided.

I thought that same way at the time too. From the outside looking in we all thought how could he not have known that about Bo and that's how they play/do things? I wish I could find a fairly recent article where Uthoff addressed it again. It was towards the end of this season it was written maybe someone else can help with finding it. But he clearly said that after having been there a year he realized the style and fit there just wasn't for him and he did look/visit Creighton I believe before coming to Iowa after that. He made it sound like in regards to his whole being restricted by Bo on where he could go that Bo was unavailable and he couldn't get him to sit down with him to tell him he was transfering. He was on a vacation and whatever else he was doing. And as time was going by he had to hurry up so he could get his new school to take him. Maybe Uthoff could have done something differently in regards to how he told the Wisconsin staff his plans... But Bo Ryan sure didn't act like the adult he should have either... His visit with Mike and Mike after that was embarrassing...

 

[NikeHawk21]

I listened to that yesterday and was thinking about starting a thread on it. Really worth the listen. Like your said, they both raved about Williams and talked about him very possibly being the second scoring option behind Jok. They also talked about Moss in practice and said there are times where he goes off like Jok does. (Meaning scores in bunches) It sounds like we should be alright at the guard spot next year.

Great to hear about Williams & Moss. Even with the lack of experience, I still think we see a fairly significant upgrade from MG & Sapp to these two next year. Both are 6'6 and I don't think it will take a whole lot to be better shooters then there predecessors.

My hopeful Williams comparison is Isiah Cousins at OU. He was also a long PG, who IMO was just as important to Hield on that team. That may be a few years down the road for CW though.

 

[NikeHawk21]

100%

a) Moore is not coming to Iowa.
b) Brady Ellingson is never, ever going to be a B1G star.
c) Bohannon has better skills than BE and will be a poor man's Gesell with a much better J.
d) CV will never play a minute for Iowa.

EDIT

e) Pemsl will never average better numbers than Woody did in 15-16 in any season. He has never impressed me on film or in person. He was just outkicking the coverage on him via the Iowa HS hoops landscape in Eastern IA.

a. Yes
b. Who in the world said BE was going to be a star? I question if he will ever be a significant contributor at Iowa.
c. Poor mans MG with a better shot? Maybe, he's a shooter first, where as MG was a shooter last, so I don't love the comparison.
d. There is clearly a chance, I doubt Fran would have flown out there if he didn't think we had a chance.
e. Outplaying inferior competition is not considered "outkicking your coverage," outplaying superior competition would be, but I get your point. As a 6'8 Forward who won't play much center with good ball handling skills and good touch I don't get the Woody comparison. But hey they are both lefties!

I'd grade you 60%/100%.

 

[SteveGarvey1]

100%

a) Moore is not coming to Iowa.
b) Brady Ellingson is never, ever going to be a B1G star.
c) Bohannon has better skills than BE and will be a poor man's Gesell with a much better J.
d) CV will never play a minute for Iowa.

EDIT

e) Pemsl will never average better numbers than Woody did in 15-16 in any season. He has never impressed me on film or in person. He was just outkicking the coverage on him via the Iowa HS hoops landscape in Eastern IA.

My, such a rosy forecast.

Question. If Bohannon is a much better shooter than Gesell should he really be classified as a poor man's Gesell? Shooting is pretty important in basketball after all.

And I agree with another poster that Fran wouldn't have flown out to Conn. if there was zero chance of landing Vital.

 

[WindsorHawk]

And I agree with another poster that Fran wouldn't have flown out to Conn. if there was zero chance of landing Vital.

I love living in Iowa. But I find it hard to believe a visit to Iowa is high on Vital's Bucket List. I'm pretty confident that if he comes for a visit it's because he wants to check out the school, facilities, program, players, etc.

 

[Hawk5656]

Vital or Moore has to happen since it doesn't look like the grad transfer market is going to help us. Cmon Fran close the deal!

 

[jparmley3]

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a - Probably right
b - Few "stars" on any team...but could be a solid contributor
c - Bohannon is going to be...Bohannon
d - Speculation...not fact as presented
e - Speculation...to be determined.

You're stating your opinions and speculation as facts. None of your post is based in fact...definition below.

Fact - A thing that is indisputably the case

May I be the first person to welcome you to this place called "THE INTERNET": where opinions are just that.

NOTE: I will be sure to use IMHO next time. Thanks for helping me see the light.

 

[hawkjunkie]

As mentioned above, the family would like to keep the official visit dates under wraps. I think they'd like to focus on the process without a lot of attention.

When I saw CV Tweet he visited UConn yesterday, I simply texted him to ask if it was an official. He responded that it was and I left it at that. I'm trying to respect the family's wishes. I think Christian will continue to do what he did yesterday to let us know after he's visited somewhere.

I'm speculating somewhat, but based on what I've gathered from communications with him, I think he would like to get these three visits in and then make a decision. The signing period goes into the middle of May but I get a feeling his decision will come sooner than that. A mid-week visit to UConn indicates to me that they process is moving along.

I've heard Louisville is next and then it will be Iowa but that's not coming from CV. I'd like it if we were the last visit.

I agree. Having Iowa as the last visit would be good. Wish it was this Saturday tho. Should be a good weekend to visit with the Spring game.

Nice to see that Fran went to his school for a visit. Especially right after the UConn official. The day after.

 

[WindsorHawk]

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NOTE: I will be sure to use IMHO next time. Thanks for helping me see the light.

You're welcome. You definitely needed the help.

 

[Randolfo]

Any updates lately? This kid is certainly dragging things out, given many kids his age have been committed for a year or two by now.

 

[jparmley3]

a - Probably right
b - Few "stars" on any team...but could be a solid contributor
c - Bohannon is going to be...Bohannon
d - Speculation...not fact as presented
e - Speculation...to be determined.

You're stating your opinions and speculation as facts. None of your post is based in fact...definition below.

Fact - A thing that is indisputably the case

a) check
b thru e -- we will continue to revisit these as so you see I was right more than I was wrong

You said Brady could be a "SOLID contributor". Solid, to me, is 9-12 ppg, 4 apg, 25 min, good shooter, low turnovers.

 

[deanvogs]

a) check
b thru e -- we will continue to revisit these as so you see I was right more than I was wrong

You said Brady could be a "SOLID contributor". Solid, to me, is 9-12 ppg, 4 apg, 25 min, good shooter, low turnovers.

Those are starter stats. Plenty of players can be solid off the bench if you ask me, but I guess we will all have varying opinions of what "solid" or "good" is.

 

[pacoyal]

Looks like he may be announcing tomorrow...