Chip Kelly will never get to the next level

olivecourt

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When is Chip Kelly going to learn you can't play down to the level of the competition? I swear, if Oregon would ever get aggressive and stop playing not to lose, they would make it to the next level. I mean, they didn't win this game, Cal lost it. 52, 48, 35... that's what other teams scored on Cal. Pathetic effort, Oregon. Time to rethink your offensive philosophy and reignite that killer instinct.


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He has never been able to beat Ohio State either.

And I saw some of the Oregon defensive linemen come out for a breather in the 4th quarter. Pathetic.
 




When is Chip Kelly going to learn you can't play down to the level of the competition? I swear, if Oregon would ever get aggressive and stop playing not to lose, they would make it to the next level. I mean, they didn't win this game, Cal lost it. 52, 48, 35... that's what other teams scored on Cal. Pathetic effort, Oregon. Time to rethink your offensive philosophy and reignite that killer instinct.


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Damn right...let's wait and see if Oregon sucks next week on offense too. Wait...I'll bet they don't. Remember, we've laid two eggs in a row. Oh wait, Indiana's has an incredible defense...why they gave up a years worth of points today didn't they.
 


Damn right...let's wait and see if Oregon sucks next week on offense too. Wait...I'll bet they don't. Remember, we've laid two eggs in a row. Oh wait, Indiana's has an incredible defense...why they gave up a years worth of points today didn't they.

go sh1t in someone else's thread. That alone is the reason why you cannot compare games between common opponents. Utah puts 60+ on ISU, but manages only 3 against ND??? come on dude, be a legitimate fan
 


Personally, I actually agree with this OP, sarcastic as it may be. Okay, NEVER is too strong at this point. But unless Oregon plays Auburn, I don't see them winning the NC this year. Tonight's game proved to me that they really aren't much different than last year's Oregon team. If/when they face another legit defense, they will struggle to score points. Maybe they'll win, but it won't be because of a fireworks display that rivals a NYC 4th of July celebration.
 


Let's see.... Last I checked Oregon is still undefeated and we have three losses. This comparison is really laughable. Compare Iowa's offense to Oregon.... Funny stuff
 


Meh, I don't know. History would say this is right, but they still haven't lost. Almost every team has scares against teams they should somewhere along the line.
 


Meh, I don't know. History would say this is right, but they still haven't lost. Almost every team has scares against teams they should somewhere along the line.

I just don't think it's coincidence that Cal has a good defense, Ohio State had a good defense, Boise State had a good defense, and Oregon failed to light the world on fire in all three games. Sure, they pad the scoring average by dropping 60-70 on teams like New Mexico and Portland State, as well as the pathetic defenses that litter much of the Pac-10. They wilt when they face real defenses. When they start dropping 30+ on good defenses, I'll be a believer.
 


Let's see.... Last I checked Oregon is still undefeated and we have three losses. This comparison is really laughable. Compare Iowa's offense to Oregon.... Funny stuff

No, I'm pretty sure Iowa has four losses and Oregon has one. If you win because another team messes up, it doesn't count. Also, if you struggle against an inferior team, it's because you don't have a killer instinct and are vanilla on offense. And didn't run enough trick plays. Them's the facts.
 


No, I'm pretty sure Iowa has four losses and Oregon has one. If you win because another team messes up, it doesn't count. Also, if you struggle against an inferior team, it's because you don't have a killer instinct and are vanilla on offense. And didn't run enough trick plays. Them's the facts.

No, IA only has 3 losses...but it should have 4. And Oregon seldom struggles against inferior teams, much less lose to them. In fact, their last 2 losses were to teams that won BCS bowls last year. And as far as I know, Chip Kelly hasn't lost 5/6 to a team w/ less talented players, not to mention when OR has the chance to stomp on a team's throat and put a game out of reach, they generally do it w/o going ultra conservative on offense.

If you were going to be a smartass about a team (when people are still edgy about losing to a team (again) you should beat handily), probably shouldn't have picked Oregon under Chip Kelly.
 


No, IA only has 3 losses...but it should have 4. And Oregon seldom struggles against inferior teams, much less lose to them. In fact, their last 2 losses were to teams that won BCS bowls last year. And as far as I know, Chip Kelly hasn't lost 5/6 to a team w/ less talented players, not to mention when OR has the chance to stomp on a team's throat and put a game out of reach, they generally do it w/o going ultra conservative on offense.

If you were going to be a smartass about a team (when people are still edgy about losing to a team (again) you should beat handily), probably shouldn't have picked Oregon under Chip Kelly.

with what historical data do you have to pull this from??? This man is in his first head coaching position (and only his second year, handed the keys to one of the best programs this decade.....bellotti was 9-4 in '08 & 10-3 in '09-- and numerous other successful seasons).

With anything in life usually things even out, lets see this guys recruiting results are, and how he performs in the post-season over a decade..... if he can last that long- can he have 5 of 8 bowl trips produce winners? every offensive movement, whether in war or football, has a weakness. nothing is invincible, nor any offense unstoppable. Oregon is just innovative. They are the "wildcat" on steroids. If it has been stopped before, it will be taught to others, and overtime it will be exploited. I'm beginning to think that this "gimmicky" offense is just like GaTech, hard to prepare over a week- but manageable with 3-5 weeks to disect. the big ten as a collective, does a tremendous job of scouting teams they are preparing to play in bowls. Look for the same result if they were to be faced with a big ten opponent.
 


Oregon is no different than Alexander the Great's father, Phillip, when he changed the length of their sarrisa's(spears) versus what the typical phalanx carried in that day. In the beginning he and his son Alexander was invincible with this new "weapon" and his unheard of use of the tactic of a calvary charge as an offensive move at the climax of the battle. This allowed for Alexander to stretch his forces thinner and face a numerically superior foe during his march East. But his tactics were adopted by his generals who then passed on their knowledge ultimately leading to the greek demise to the more maneuverable unit of the Legion in the mountainous mediterranean terrain, after the breakup of the empire.

Oregon is just the new "sarrisa" of college football people will learn to scheme against it. This is what makes Iowa, PSU, tOSU, and wisconsin perennially in the top half of the Big Ten and the top third of the country. They run a more pro-form and even though it is the most basic form of offense, it seems to be the toughest to defend given you EXECUTE correctly
 


Fantastic to see you brought the execution argument over to this thread, too. Did you also know the sky was blue? B/c that's basically what the execution argument amounts to. Every team can make the execution argument every game, win or lose. If you win it's usually b/c you executed your plays better, and vice versa if you lose. Not exactly groundbreaking news there.

Just tell me, though, when was the last time Kelly and Oregon lost to a team it was physically better than? Last year they were beaten by BSU and OSU, who were both at least as physically gifted or better than Oregon. That being said, I think Ferentz and IA lost to a clearly physically inferior team today, and often do at least once a season. But let me guess, it's b/c IA didn't execute, right?
 


this is where you constantly make the mistake and assume we mean that if we execute correctly than we win. we can play a virtually perfect game and still lose. No matter how good you schematically play, the other team can either make a correct call- or just flat out make a tremendous play to "win" on that given play. Add a few actuall mis-execution plays to the mix of a team that made great plays all afternoon (or simply had the correct play call at the correct time).

i put it in the most simplistic way for you: lets say TEAM A is on defense and is in 3rd and 7-10ish, on the ensuing play TEAM A will rush 6 and drop 5 into coverage. while TEAM B (offense) keeps 6 in to protect and runs a screen to the short side of the field. Even though both teams execute correctly, offense will succeed 8-9 times out of ten.

WITH EVERYTHING that involves offensive/defensive planning --you always have to account for the offense having the edge just because the know how to run the play, and they know where to go & who to block. On the other hand, defensively has to react to the offensive movements making them always (at the genesis of a play) at the disadvantage, no matter how good your defense is. Defensively if you are always executing your assignments, than those that are the aggressor (in war or football) typically make mistakes before those that are on the defensive.

In short, i am trying to say that while defense wins championships, offense is always at an advantage over the defense.
 




But Iowa would play defense exactly the same way they play everyone else and would not do anything to adapt for Oregon if we had to play them...We would not change a thing, even if it meant getting picked apart all day long. We would still give receivers 6 to 8 yard cushions because that is the way we always play. Other teams exploit Iowa...Iowa does not exploit other teams. Somehow, I think Iowa coaches think that is unfair...
 


Something I've been meaning to bring up, since they lost again yesterday: What did we do differently against Georgia Tech, if anything?

I'm actually wondering if we completely broke Georgia Tech by beating them in the Orange Bowl. They're 5-5 this year. We pretty much shut them down when nobody expected us to; we obviously did SOMETHING wrong.

And yet, that something doesn't seem to carry over against the Indianas and Northwesterns.
 


Something I've been meaning to bring up, since they lost again yesterday: What did we do differently against Georgia Tech, if anything?

I'm actually wondering if we completely broke Georgia Tech by beating them in the Orange Bowl. They're 5-5 this year. We pretty much shut them down when nobody expected us to; we obviously did SOMETHING wrong.

And yet, that something doesn't seem to carry over against the Indianas and Northwesterns.

Well I think their QB is out right now and they lost the good RB they had to the draft plus their top DL sack guy went to the league too...so, wonder no more.

Oh ya and they lost Dmaryius thomas too the WR hes with the Broncos now.
 


Well I think their QB is out right now and they lost the good RB they had to the draft plus their top DL sack guy went to the league too...so, wonder no more.

Oh ya and they lost Dmaryius thomas too the WR hes with the Broncos now.

Nesbitt only got hurt last week, though (I think so, anyway), so they weren't doing too hot even with him. But yeah, losing Dwyer hurt big time (I believe they moved Anthony Allen to the "B" back spot, a spot he's not nearly as well suited for as the wing), and they also lost all semblance of a passing game when Demarryus Thomas went pro. And the defense lost its two best players in Morgan and Burnett (one of the safeties last year).
 




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