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[Hawkfnntn]

Yeah. Biggest hint of a problem is when Thellwell limped off in severe pain. Typical of him, he begged to be allowed to play.

As to Payton’s T. He trash talked. The Oregon player made the call, then the ref backed him. Payton admitted the trash talk. Fran confirmed in post game with Bobby H.

I missed seeing him limp off I guess. I did notice he didn't play all that much though. LIke 15 mins or so was all and he really didn't do much of anything when he was.

That's wild about PS getting Td up then like since when was trash talking a thing? They let Angel wave her hand at the FT line and chase Clark around the court taunting her with no calls but PS can't give a one liner to a guy he just nailed a 3 in his face to? I get it if he was chirping at the refs for a call but not for straight up trash talking to a player. Give me a break.

 

[Fryowa]

That's wild about PS getting Td up then like since when was trash talking a thing? They let Angel wave her hand at the FT line and chase Clark around the court taunting her with no calls but PS can't give a one liner to a guy he just nailed a 3 in his face to? I get it if he was chirping at the refs for a call but not for straight up trash talking to a player. Give me a break.

100% a matter of who the particular official happens to be. When I worked baseball and football there were guys who would let about anything slide, and there were guys who'd throw a flag or eject someone at the drop of a hat. It's an art because if an official

When it comes to pure judgement calls like that it's purely interpretive and everyone has their own "threshold."

My personal umpiring thresholds...

1) Coaches arguing is fine as long as you aren't calling me a dickhead or something, call time out and come talk to me and I'll tell you what I saw. I know from coaching myself how pissed off you can get and I'm fine letting people vent but when we part ways it has to be done.

2) Players arguing balls/strikes is a no go. If it gets to be a thing I talk to the coach quick between innings and I never had it get too bad after that. I shouldn't say this but the player arguing thing tends to be directly correlated with the "demographic" (read, income level) of the school if you catch my drift. Private school kids who drive brand new vehicles and dad's a mid six figures guy tend to be much smarter than me and more entitled than joe blow public school kids who've been told no before by their parents...but I digress, lol.

3) Stuff that's directed at players/coaches/dugouts is pretty much zero tolerance. There's no penalties in baseball so you pretty much have to toss the kid. I wish in high school you could add an out or take a run away or something but you can't.

Dumbest one I ever saw was School A was really good and School B wasn't but School B was hanging tough later in the game down by like one run or whatever. School A's stud hitter was at bat and with the kid behind him it was an OBVIOUS intentional walk situation. Obvious as in I knew it was coming before they even said anything. School B did the right thing and put him on, and as soon as their coach told me to walk him the batter asked if he could refuse it...I said no and he proceeds to sidestep all the way down the first base line directly facing the dugout at like half walking speed locking eyes with the coach the whole way down.

 

[Hawkfnntn]

100% a matter of who the particular official happens to be. When I worked baseball and football there were guys who would let about anything slide, and there were guys who'd throw a flag or eject someone at the drop of a hat. It's an art because if an official

When it comes to pure judgement calls like that it's purely interpretive and everyone has their own "threshold."

My personal umpiring thresholds...

1) Coaches arguing is fine as long as you aren't calling me a dickhead or something, call time out and come talk to me and I'll tell you what I saw. I know from coaching myself how pissed off you can get and I'm fine letting people vent but when we part ways it has to be done.

2) Players arguing balls/strikes is a no go. If it gets to be a thing I talk to the coach quick between innings and I never had it get too bad after that. I shouldn't say this but the player arguing thing tends to be directly correlated with the "demographic" (read, income level) of the school if you catch my drift. Private school kids who drive brand new vehicles and dad's a mid six figures guy tend to be much smarter than me and more entitled than joe blow public school kids who've been told no before by their parents...but I digress, lol.

3) Stuff that's directed at players/coaches/dugouts is pretty much zero tolerance. There's no penalties in baseball so you pretty much have to toss the kid. I wish in high school you could add an out or take a run away or something but you can't.

Dumbest one I ever saw was School A was really good and School B wasn't but School B was hanging tough later in the game down by like one run or whatever. School A's stud hitter was at bat and with the kid behind him it was an OBVIOUS intentional walk situation. Obvious as in I knew it was coming before they even said anything. School B did the right thing and put him on, and as soon as their coach told me to walk him the batter asked if he could refuse it...I said no and he proceeds to sidestep all the way down the first base line directly facing the dugout at like half walking speed locking eyes with the coach the whole way down.

Yeah when it comes to D1 hoops trash talking amongst players has always been a thing. Unless PS said something about the guys momma or got racial with it which I highly doubt that shouldn't have been called. He musta used a curse word or two though the Oregon kid was calling for it as it was happening and ref was right there and called it. The 3 of em weren't too far apart.

I'd love to know what was said and what other examples of guys getting Td up for it have said. But we'll never know.

 

[Fryowa]

Yeah when it comes to D1 hoops trash talking amongst players has always been a thing. Unless PS said something about the guys momma or got racial with it which I highly doubt that shouldn't have been called. He musta used a curse word or two though the Oregon kid was calling for it as it was happening and ref was right there and called it. The 3 of em weren't too far apart.

I'd love to know what was said and what other examples of guys getting Td up for it have said. But we'll never know.

On one hand as an official you don't want to get ticky tack when the game is close or a call could drastically change the outcome, but on the other hand you are supposed to call the game blindly no matter what the situation is.

 

[thedukeofearl]

Found this on The Athlete today...

Court Vision: College basketball coaches with the hottest seats?​

Fran McCaffery, Iowa (14-12, 5-10 Big Ten)

McCaffery has still never made a single Sweet 16 with the Hawkeyes. Pockets of regular-season excellence and high-flying offenses have sustained his 15-year tenure, but Luka Garza and Keegan Murray aren’t walking back through that door, and the entire program feels stale. McCaffery was emotional after Iowa beat 13-14 Rutgers on the road, which really makes sense only if someone that established knows he’s near his end. The fan base is calling for it, the results warrant it and it seems like only a matter of time. Temperature check: Hot.

Ouch...

 

[thedukeofearl]

Yeah when it comes to D1 hoops trash talking amongst players has always been a thing. Unless PS said something about the guys momma or got racial with it which I highly doubt that shouldn't have been called. He musta used a curse word or two though the Oregon kid was calling for it as it was happening and ref was right there and called it. The 3 of em weren't too far apart.

I'd love to know what was said and what other examples of guys getting Td up for it have said. But we'll never know.

Gotta be cool when the zebras are within earshot

 

[Hawkfnntn]

Found this on The Athlete today...

Court Vision: College basketball coaches with the hottest seats?​

Fran McCaffery, Iowa (14-12, 5-10 Big Ten)

McCaffery has still never made a single Sweet 16 with the Hawkeyes. Pockets of regular-season excellence and high-flying offenses have sustained his 15-year tenure, but Luka Garza and Keegan Murray aren’t walking back through that door, and the entire program feels stale. McCaffery was emotional after Iowa beat 13-14 Rutgers on the road, which really makes sense only if someone that established knows he’s near his end. The fan base is calling for it, the results warrant it and it seems like only a matter of time. Temperature check: Hot.

Ouch...

Ouch is right...

Yeah when it's obvious it's obvious. West Virginia folks are on high alert with DeVries they've connected the dots for awhile too. I think they are kinda torn on if they'd be mad about losing him right away or not. I'll be curious if he's truly gonna be Beths first option or if he's mostly the fans.