CBS has Jackson going #13 in draft...

tksirius said:
Lol. So, he's projected 1st round, but Phil says he's not ready.
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not as ready as he could be. King was projected 1st rnd after JR season, also, I believe. it largely depends on who and how many corners are coming out. i will say that JJ looks and plays more like a corner than King.
 
I believe Phil when he says JJ needs to work on his zone coverage, but the question is whether he'll develop that better in the NFL where he'll be targeted or in college where everyone will throw away from him.
 
guffus said:
Well put. Do not sell King short. The NFL sold King and Hyde short on draft day. But that does not mean they were not great corners. If anything, Hyde and King proved to be under-rated by the NFL.
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Very true. A lot of CBs got drafted ahead of King and he is playing as well or better than all of them. And with every position in the NFL, circumstances around you matter. It really helped Hyde to leave GB. His DC there was way overmatched and has been for years.
 
This list is pretty sketchy. Lamar Jackson going #1 overall? The browns taking a QB #1 and a RB #7? That would be really stupid, but a very "Browns" thing to do I guess.
 
ShemHawk said:
I believe Phil when he says JJ needs to work on his zone coverage, but the question is whether he'll develop that better in the NFL where he'll be targeted or in college where everyone will throw away from him.
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It really annoys me when coaches say dumb shit like this. Where is he going to get more coaching and work on zone coverage...at Iowa in between classes in his dorm room, or in the NFL where his entire life is focused on football?
 
mopkins said:
It really annoys me when coaches say dumb shit like this. Where is he going to get more coaching and work on zone coverage...at Iowa in between classes in his dorm room, or in the NFL where his entire life is focused on football?
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Exactly!
 
I would imagine if he's projected anywhere between 1st and 3rd round he's gone. Given the kid is set to graduate and is in his 4th year in the program, what else is there for him to accomplish? Unless he's one of those very rare cases, where a guy just wants to hang around and be with his teammates one more season, but I don't see that happening. His physical size along will set him apart from King and other former Iowa DB's.
 
BGOLD said:
Good for Jackson, he balled out this year. It would be different if he were a true JR, and wasn't graduating in May. We have some quality corners coming back next year.
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Who? Hankins looks like he has potential, but outside of that we have Ragumba who is terrible, and Ojemudia who isn't any better. Unless someone emerges, our cb play next year doesn't look promising.
 
Caddy said:
Who? Hankins looks like he has potential, but outside of that we have Ragumba who is terrible, and Ojemudia who isn't any better. Unless someone emerges, our cb play next year doesn't look promising.
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Who saw Josh Jackson becoming a First Team All-American after not even being a starter last year? Rugamba was widely thought to be the top corner for Iowa this year and turned out to be the 3rd or 4th best corner this year. We return Ojemudia, an even rangier version than Jackson, Hankins who had a Michigan offer coming out of HS and gained experience, and Rugamba who was preseason all BIG coming into this year. Even with Jackson leaving, Iowa has reason to be more optimistic going into next season about their corners than they did this year.
 
BGOLD said:
Who saw Josh Jackson becoming a First Team All-American after not even being a starter last year? Rugamba was widely thought to be the top corner for Iowa this year and turned out to be the 3rd or 4th best corner this year. We return Ojemudia, an even rangier version than Jackson, Hankins who had a Michigan offer coming out of HS and gained experience, and Rugamba who was preseason all BIG coming into this year. Even with Jackson leaving, Iowa has reason to be more optimistic going into next season about their corners than they did this year.
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I can't say I saw him being 1st team all-american, but I knew damn well he was better than Mabin.
 
mopkins said:
It really annoys me when coaches say dumb shit like this. Where is he going to get more coaching and work on zone coverage...at Iowa in between classes in his dorm room, or in the NFL where his entire life is focused on football?
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This is taking a quote WAY out of context. Phil was asked Jackson's strengths and weaknesses and he replied that Jackson is much more accomplished in man coverage, but still struggles in some zone concepts. Not once did he say "he needs to come back to Iowa to work on his zone coverage understanding". I'll trust Phil's opinion of defensive back talents and their strengths and weaknesses considering he's put more guys in the league than every other coach on the staff combined...
 
mopkins said:
It really annoys me when coaches say dumb shit like this. Where is he going to get more coaching and work on zone coverage...at Iowa in between classes in his dorm room, or in the NFL where his entire life is focused on football?
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Winning post.

But you know, the Iowa coaches make their coin by developing players (not by winning meaningful games) so of course they feel he hasn't been fully developed yet. Quit messing with their business model.

For crying out loud JJ if you are a lock for either the first OR second round you gotta go get yours. They are and have been for years. College football is a big time exploitative machine awash in $$$. For now. Repeat after me. North endzone luxury box construction. North endzone luxury box...
 
Caddy said:
Who? Hankins looks like he has potential, but outside of that we have Ragumba who is terrible, and Ojemudia who isn't any better. Unless someone emerges, our cb play next year doesn't look promising.
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So, kinda like last year...or most years....and then...someone does emerge. Let's hope that continues. History says there's a decent chance. Players improve...i know it's weird.
 
tksirius said:
I can't say I saw him being 1st team all-american, but I knew damn well he was better than Mabin.
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Agreed. And yet, Mabin is on an NFL roster. Point is, as much as we're going to miss Jackson next year we have 3 corners who will come in next year with as much or more acclaim than Jackson did coming into this year. Along with being O-Line 'U', TE 'U', we're now DB 'U'
 
mopkins said:
It really annoys me when coaches say dumb shit like this. Where is he going to get more coaching and work on zone coverage...at Iowa in between classes in his dorm room, or in the NFL where his entire life is focused on football?
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They actually do minimal individual technique work in the NFL due to the heavy emphasis on game-plan/tactics. That is one of the reasons Hawks are so highly valued in the NFL, organizations know they come in technically sound from a system that required them to think on the field. They are plug-and-play ready.
 
CP87 said:
They actually do minimal individual technique work in the NFL due to the heavy emphasis on game-plan/tactics. That is one of the reasons Hawks are so highly valued in the NFL, organizations know they come in technically sound from a system that required them to think on the field. They are plug-and-play ready.
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Um Ok. Maybe NFL teams can pass the hat since we apparently save them some coin on not having to develop Iowa players, AND we could apply that money toward our recruiting budget or hiring a better and more creative OC who understands that talented SKILL players need to think LESS and use their God-given talents MORE.
 
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