It's kinda uncool that yiu can't even discuss a call on a message board without having people spin it into you blaming refs for the loss. We are fans, we have every right to discuss every aspect of the game when it's over. Let players and coaches focus on what they could have done different. As a fan I'll ***** about bad plays, bad coaching decisions, and bad calls from refs.
Catch/no catch
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It's kinda uncool that yiu can't even discuss a call on a message board without having people spin it into you blaming refs for the loss. We are fans, we have every right to discuss every aspect of the game when it's over. Let players and coaches focus on what they could have done different. As a fan I'll ***** about bad plays, bad coaching decisions, and bad calls from refs.
The same as it is every other place on the field, "through the process of the catch." You are saying that the requirements for possession and control are somehow less when the play happens in the endzone?
ThunderHawk
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No. Powell was bobbling it as he went out of bounds. Bell caught it and possessed it past the plane of the goal, and then bobbled it when he was shoved. It was close but correct.
What more was there to complete the process of the catch? He clearly caught the ball, had possession, both feet on the ground, in the end zone, standing up. If he was diving or falling to the ground yes it would be different. Say TS catches a pass in the end zone and is standing still. Then 2 seconds later an ISU player runs up and knocks the ball out of his hand. Is that different?
^^^^^^^ This
Wrong. The two plays were identical, except that Powell was never touched by a defender. It is baffling how some people are incapable of understanding this.
With Powell the question was if the ball moved at all in his hands while still inbounds. With the other play the question was if the player had the ball in his hands long enough to consider it possession before a player stripped it. The only way it is an identical situation is if you think Powell held the ball before the bobble for the same amount of time as the Nebraska guy held the ball before he was stripped. If you think it was the same amount of time then I don't blame you for being mad. I think that Powell held it for noticeably less time.
This "time" issue is just stupid. Did you pull out a stopwatch to measure the difference? There is no mention anywhere in the rulebook about "time" being a determing factor in what constitutes a catch. You look really dumb by even bringing that into the argument.
Say what? So it doesn't matter if a guy has it for 1 second or 5 seconds because time doesn't matter? I'm dumb for bringing it up?
I promise you that if Powell held the ball a little longer, then did the exact same bobble, it would have been ruled complete. Just like if the guy from Nebraska had it for less time before it got knocked out it would have been incomplete. Get out of here with the "time doesn't matter" crap. I remember my first time watching football too.
No, you are wrong. Powell was bobbling the ball in the end zone and did not have control until he was out of the end zone. Bell made the catch and had clear possession in the end zone. At this point it is a touchdown. It is baffling to me that you are unable to grasp this simple difference.
You can't really blame him for being confused though since he thinks that people saying that it matters how long you hold onto the ball before you drop it are "really stupid".
What page of the rulebook does it talk about how long you have to hold the ball for it to be a legal catch? Idiot.
Well technically it has to be a "football move". If Powell would have held it longer he would have made a football move by the rule book. There was no football move on the other one so you tell me. Can we knock it out of his hands after he stands there for 5 seconds and it would be incomplete. Or are you wrong and time actually does matter?
So it's your contention that 5 seconds is the standard and which a catch becomes legal?
ThunderHawk
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Youre wrong. The refs on the field disagree with you. As does the replay ref. as does the rule book. I don't see Iowa officials crying Pollard over it.
Give it up and move on. Youre wrong. Deal with it.
Nope. Just the random amount of time I used in my example.
Yeah, refs never make a mistake. Replay is perfect. BTW, have you ever read a rulebook? I have, on multiple occasions.
