Can Iowa Keep Walking This Tightrope?

[Hawkfnntn]

We have been through this type of thing before at various points:

Hey Kirk, you know running a base defense where your elderly DC never calls a blitz is not going to work in modern football.

Hey Kirk, your best friend OC is a terrible playcaller and is holding you back.

Hey Kirk, using your MLB to cover a WR on the boundaries is incredibly dumb.

Hey Kirk, um, kids gotta have access to social media. Its 2019 for pete's sake.

Hey Kirk, Christensen can't hit a 5 yard crossing route. Ever.

Change is never immediate with KF.

In the case of Petras he never actually made a decision he died on that hill... He's made some changes here and there but like you said it's NEVER immediate. Feels same with Hill this kid has struggled. I'd have liked to see Labas get some reps in 2nd half of that game. Or hell even Lainez too what would that hurt at this point?

For a qb to have as poor of a game as Hill did with the weather not being a factor or anything else is pretty unreal. Then to not even entertain the thought of getting others reps is even more wild. Get the other guys reps and see what they have. They can't be worse can they?

 

[NorthKCHawk]

As others have noted, through, he looked pretty good in Michigan State game. He was throwing down field and had a number of good balls dropped. Let's hope that KF is accurate in that he was just too wound up for his first start and needs to settle down. Of course, returning to Madison in front of 80k crazies may not help him settle down.

He has been on campus 2 years less than Labas, and beat Labas out after clearly coming in as the third stringer. He has shown enough in practice to be the guy. KF will stick with him unless he starts giving the ball away to Wisky every series. Ineptitude is acceptable to KF, but not turnovers. He has to draw the line somewhere!

 

[Hawkfnntn]

What? I don't see any flaws in this thinking. KF retires. Takes over as AG. Hires his son to be the HC. Everyone is happy!

Honestly, its not the dumbest thing ever posted on this board. There is a history of legendary HCs becoming ADs in this conference, but usually things have to end very very well. And, I don't see that happening here. Plus, times have changed. This is just not the way things work these days.

There's a zero percent chance KF retires and then becomes the AD with the dominos falling after that how they would. The gig is Goetzs. The 'delay' in taking the Interim tag off is more procedural then anything. I'd be shocked if anyone else gets it but I'd be even more shocked if KF did. There's just no way.


Is it the dumbest thing ever said on here? Probably not there's been some wild stuff thrown around over the years. The thought of it isn't dumb. But there's a better chance of DJK and KF making up then KF becoming AD.

 

[oldhawk12]

KF does not make the schedules and he did not make ISU and the West suck. He is playing a fortunate hand, but you make it sound like he is scheduling all these cupcakes. Nope, that is the conference (and the powers that be that require the ISU game).

Also, you are skewing your point with the teams above. Colorado absolutely got clocked by Oregon and USC. Not competitive. They also were outplayed at home in an OT backdoor victory against lowly CSU. They were basically beaten by a crap team last weekend too before pulling out the late win. They could easily be below .500. Iowa would beat CU if they played. The other teams? Probably not, but I don't think anyone here is arguing that Iowa is a Top 20 team.

We’ll agree to disagree, but if you think Ferentz doesn’t have input into the non-conference schedule then I can’t help you. And the rest, the point about the west flew way over your head. And you completely ignored my point about records v schedules

 

[NorthKCHawk]

We’ll agree to disagree, but if you think Ferentz doesn’t have input into the non-conference schedule then I can’t help you. And the rest, the point about the west flew way over your head. And you completely ignored my point about records v schedules

What input? The non-con is 3 games now. The Big plays a 9 game conference schedule. A 7 game home schedule is sacrosanct in major college football. ISU is foisted upon Iowa and KF. Given all this, the only discretion in the non-con is which 2 cupcakes to schedule. Because of the ISU game, we already have a home and away series. So, the other two games have to be lesser programs who will come to IC and not expect a return home game. I guess KF could have some input into those two cupcake games. Beyond that, you are just dead wrong that KF has any ability to influence the schedule at all. 10 of the 12 games Iowa plays every year are COMPLETELY beyond KF's ability to influence. The two games he can influence are deciding which flavor of cupcake to order.

And nothing flew over my head. I disagreed with your flawed reasoning.

 

[NorthKCHawk]

There's a zero percent chance KF retires and then becomes the AD with the dominos falling after that how they would. The gig is Goetzs. The 'delay' in taking the Interim tag off is more procedural then anything. I'd be shocked if anyone else gets it but I'd be even more shocked if KF did. There's just no way.


Is it the dumbest thing ever said on here? Probably not there's been some wild stuff thrown around over the years. The thought of it isn't dumb. But there's a better chance of DJK and KF making up then KF becoming AD.

You sort of missed how deeply implanted my tongue was into my cheek. We all agree KF is not going to be the next AD. Whether the thought was as wild as some of the Big Foot conspiracy theories that show up on this Board is debatable.

 

[oldhawk12]

What input? The non-con is 3 games now. The Big plays a 9 game conference schedule. A 7 game home schedule is sacrosanct in major college football. ISU is foisted upon Iowa and KF. Given all this, the only discretion in the non-con is which 2 cupcakes to schedule. Because of the ISU game, we already have a home and away series. So, the other two games have to be lesser programs who will come to IC and not expect a return home game. I guess KF could have some input into those two cupcake games. Beyond that, you are just dead wrong that KF has any ability to influence the schedule at all. 10 of the 12 games Iowa plays every year are COMPLETELY beyond KF's ability to influence. The two games he can influence are deciding which flavor of cupcake to order.

And nothing flew over my head. I disagreed with your flawed reasoning.

Again, it doesn’t matter how many games the non conference is…I just gave you about 6 teams with worst records that play at least two games far better than ours. And despite a worse record, they are better teams. Also, I’ve posted on here numerous times, Iowa consistently plays a far softer preseason schedule than the b10w peers. And Ferentz absolutely has input. To think otherwise is stupid.

If Ferentz didn’t want to play the clowns every year, we wouldn’t play them every year. And yes…there are two other games (many yrs three more)…and we play cupcakes every year. And for the millionth time, our peers in the west play tougher preseason in nearly every year.

And this isn’t even the main point

 

[NorthKCHawk]

Again, it doesn’t matter how many games the non conference is…I just gave you about 6 teams with worst records that play at least two games far better than ours. And despite a worse record, they are better teams. Also, I’ve posted on here numerous times, Iowa consistently plays a far softer preseason schedule than the b10w peers. And Ferentz absolutely has input. To think otherwise is stupid.

If Ferentz didn’t want to play the clowns every year, we wouldn’t play them every year. And yes…there are two other games (many yrs three more)…and we play cupcakes every year. And for the millionth time, our peers in the west play tougher preseason in nearly every year.

And this isn’t even the main point

Look, I understand that your main point is that the West stinks, so does Iowa State, and so 5-1 isn't as impressive as it looks. 4-2 for other schools is better given schedules. Except for pointing out that Colorado is a paper tiger, I did not disagree with any of that. Indeed, read my posts on this Board and you will see I have pointed out many times how weak the West is and how fortunate KF and Parker are to play in it.

However, where I demonstrated your error was refuting your point that KF has any real control over that. I will break it down for you:

Does KF have any control whatsoever over conference schedule? If no, there goes 75% of your argument.
Does KF control whether Iowa plays ISU? You said yes, but you have no basis for your conclusory statement. KF has stated that he supports the game, but what choice does he have? The last time there was even a real discussion about ending the series, the governor and legislature threatened to step in. There are political forces at play in this State for both fans bases well beyond any influence of KF. Trust me when I tell you that Kirk Ferentz absolutely has no ability to unilaterally end the Cy-Hawk game.
Is playing 7 home games an absolute requirement for Iowa? If yes (and its yes), there goes any meaningful other non-con game.

Well, there you have it. KF likely has some influence over who we schedule for two non-con home games for teams that are willing to schedule a game in Kinnick without going to their place the next year. What a diabolical mind that KF is for creating such an easy schedule with all of his widespread influence over the entire schedule. (eye roll).

In short, he is lucky, not crafty. Period.

 

[SCHawkeye2]

In 1968 Ray Nagels Hawkeyes went 5-5 / 4-3 in B10.
Their three non-conf opponents were:
#8 Oregon State W
TCU L
#5 Notre Dame L

With today' non-conf cupcakes:
The '68 team goes 7-3.
Next year, they would go 6-4
In '70 they go 6-3-1

Nagel coaches for 10 more years and Lauterbur and Commings never happen.

 

[thedukeofearl]

This is the dumbest take in the history of HN and that’s saying something.

Congratulations. I didn’t think it could be done but you did it.

 

[oldhawk12]

Look, I understand that your main point is that the West stinks, so does Iowa State, and so 5-1 isn't as impressive as it looks. 4-2 for other schools is better given schedules. Except for pointing out that Colorado is a paper tiger, I did not disagree with any of that. Indeed, read my posts on this Board and you will see I have pointed out many times how weak the West is and how fortunate KF and Parker are to play in it.

However, where I demonstrated your error was refuting your point that KF has any real control over that. I will break it down for you:

Does KF have any control whatsoever over conference schedule? If no, there goes 75% of your argument.
Does KF control whether Iowa plays ISU? You said yes, but you have no basis for your conclusory statement. KF has stated that he supports the game, but what choice does he have? The last time there was even a real discussion about ending the series, the governor and legislature threatened to step in. There are political forces at play in this State for both fans bases well beyond any influence of KF. Trust me when I tell you that Kirk Ferentz absolutely has no ability to unilaterally end the Cy-Hawk game.
Is playing 7 home games an absolute requirement for Iowa? If yes (and its yes), there goes any meaningful other non-con game.

Well, there you have it. KF likely has some influence over who we schedule for two non-con home games for teams that are willing to schedule a game in Kinnick without going to their place the next year. What a diabolical mind that KF is for creating such an easy schedule with all of his widespread influence over the entire schedule. (eye roll).

In short, he is lucky, not crafty. Period.

Spin nonsense. Lot of talk about nothing with excuses. Ferentz has say in his schedule..period. And the unwillingness to never play on the road is also garbage. Because your peers are doing it regardless of your spin

 

[Teddy]

Spin nonsense. Lot of talk about nothing with excuses. Ferentz has say in his schedule..period. And the unwillingness to never play on the road is also garbage. Because your peers are doing it regardless of your spin

So, playing at Arizona, Arizona St., the Clowns-a P5 team every other year, Pittsburgh didn't really happen. I doubt if I am remembering every road game. Maybe Miami when Big Ben was there?

The unwillingness to go on the road in the NCS is Athletic Department's loss of revenue. Cannot have two road games in any year Iowa goes up to Green Acres. Home games make a lot of money.

 

[HuckFinn]

Don’t waste your time with old Hawk.

 

[Seth53]

"In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king."

This is Iowa in the B1G West.

 

[guffus]

We have been through this type of thing before at various points:

Hey Kirk, you know running a base defense where your elderly DC never calls a blitz is not going to work in modern football.

Hey Kirk, your best friend OC is a terrible playcaller and is holding you back.

Hey Kirk, using your MLB to cover a WR on the boundaries is incredibly dumb.

Hey Kirk, um, kids gotta have access to social media. Its 2019 for pete's sake.

Hey Kirk, Christensen can't hit a 5 yard crossing route. Ever.

Change is never immediate with KF.

At least the defense finally made some key changes that solved a lot of the problems. The problem with the LB covering the WR was solved by the switch to the 4-2-5. The problem with the DL getting tired was solved by switching to a 8-man Rotation.

 

[NorthKCHawk]

Spin nonsense. Lot of talk about nothing with excuses. Ferentz has say in his schedule..period. And the unwillingness to never play on the road is also garbage. Because your peers are doing it regardless of your spin

Look, dude, I laid out the case in simple terms with bolded questions demonstrating that your point on KF's control over the schedule was not well taken. In response, you just kicked and screamed, "that's not true!!!!"

Give me some logic behind your position. Answer the bold questions in my post.

You know KF has no control over the conference schedule. At least admit that. You can do it. Go ahead.

As to the other three games, Iowa has to have 7 home games, and the ISU game is not going away regardless of what KF wants. So again, explain to me what you would do if you were a big tough version of KF and wanted to toughen the schedule the last 5 years. Be specific. Don't just scream generalities. Come on. You can do it.

 

[Bordone]

This is the dumbest take in the history of HN and that’s saying something.

Congratulations. I didn’t think it could be done but you did it.

The guy who said Kf was intentionally tanking the program thinks me saying for all we know and throwing out a hot take to point out his inane blathering was the dumbest take in the history of hn. LOL

 

[kicker22]

KF does not make the schedules and he did not make ISU and the West suck. He is playing a fortunate hand, but you make it sound like he is scheduling all these cupcakes. Nope, that is the conference (and the powers that be that require the ISU game).

Also, you are skewing your point with the teams above. Colorado absolutely got clocked by Oregon and USC. Not competitive. They also were outplayed at home in an OT backdoor victory against lowly CSU. They were basically beaten by a crap team last weekend too before pulling out the late win. They could easily be below .500. Iowa would beat CU if they played. The other teams? Probably not, but I don't think anyone here is arguing that Iowa is a Top 20 team.

Agreed. The "they don't play anyone OOC" argument only goes so far because there's probably only 10-15 teams that will schedule OOC games against quality opponents. Iowa does it no differently then 85% of the country so to call KF out for our scheduling is taking a shot at his program and giving everyone else a free pass and I don't see that as fair.

And the Colorado argument, again some great points. Sure they've got a big name coach and their program is picking up heat, but what have they done? They beat a ranked TCU program that's currently 3-3 with a 13 pt. loss at ISU last weekend. The reality is there are probably teams with weaker records that could/would most likely beat Iowa, but Colorado isn't one of them and quite honestly there are probably teams with records similar to Iowa's that Iowa could beat outside of the conference at this point. Speculation can be fun, but get's us absolutely no where.

 

[NorthKCHawk]

The guy who said Kf was intentionally tanking the program thinks me saying for all we know and throwing out a hot take to point out his inane blathering was the dumbest take in the history of hn. LOL

Look, I think we can all agree that both of these takes were quite cold. Like icy West Lake Okoboji in January cold. If it is important for you two to know which one of these two takes was dumber than the other, I will hear you out.

 

[Fryowa]

The guy who said Kf was intentionally tanking the program thinks me saying for all we know and throwing out a hot take to point out his inane blathering was the dumbest take in the history of hn. LOL

Yep. I do.