Calm down or Sit Down
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I was thinking about last year and if he could just turn 1-2 of those overthrows per game into completions this year, that’s the difference in at least 1, maybe 2 games turning into W’s. The worst was the overthrown against penn state to Hockenson and a couple throws vs NW
You could add a bad one to Hock in the 4th Q vs. Wisc (wide-open on a play-action cross, beautifully schemed, would have gone for 30+ yards). I can't remember specific throws vs. Purdue, but I know he was generally subpar in that game.
I am hoping for big improvement, without a ton to base my hope upon. But hope is a great thing, maybe the best thing.
trj
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He misfired on some short throws to Easley especially early in the year. I can't remember what game it was it was early in the year, Easley gave Stanley one of those wtf looks after one those errant passes. Fortunately, as the season went on they got on the same page.
EstronHawkKing
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I still have bad memories of how he played at Penn St last year. One of the worst QB single game performances I have ever seen from an Iowa QB. He can not do that this year!
WinOneThisCentury
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I honestly thought Nate looked pretty calm against the best defense in the SEC in the bowl game. MSU was the real deal and he made plays to win that game. We have to keep him clean...that's the big thing. If he's comfortable...he's a different player.
I will never be able to explain Penn State...or why he just couldn't seem to make the necessary play against Wisconsin and Northwestern. We had chances in every loss to win those games...we just weren't great when we had to be.
I will never be able to explain Penn State...or why he just couldn't seem to make the necessary play against Wisconsin and Northwestern. We had chances in every loss to win those games...we just weren't great when we had to be.
Stanzi
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That overthrow against PSU still gives me nightmares. It was the easiest throw in the world and he sailed it 10 freaking yards past Hock. That was the turning point of the game. Make that throw it's an easy TD and PSU is completely demoralized. Instead, we give them the ball back and the game completely changes.
pootspot
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pootspot
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BS, BF isn’t the one overthrowing and missing his targets. BF put him in position to make those plays with the call and to go to a KF Classic NS failed to “execute”.
The plays were there to be made and that is the play design IMO. NS has to perform this year flat out no excuses with the overthrows which in most cases are terribly thrown balls in some big time opportunities.
I’m not even sure how this is debatable and where you come off thinking BF has any blame for NS misses. I mean we blame other people for everything these days?
I don't disagree.
But I don't disagree with Rob.
Because while it's easy to focus on a half dozen passes, some of which no qb should miss, shall we start counting up runs that didn't quite make it? How about when a play was called but the receiver couldn't get open?
Fact is there is plenty of blame to go around.
From play calling to blocking, to seeing holes and running better, to getting open, to yes some poorly thrown balls.
I said it in another thread, we don't need to improve a little, we need to improve a lot. The good news is that improving a lot will show if EVERYONE improves moderately.
The sum of all parts, or some shit like that.
I think the order of offensive problems is
1 Stanley missing very makeable plays
2. Brian going crazy with running plays when the running game isn't working at all
3. Runingbacks rarely getting more yards than the minimum that the offensive line allows.
Number 2 is easiest to fix. If all 3 improve, we will have the best offense since 02.
One last thing. Brandon Smith was big time in the limited chances he had. Who's fault was it that he got so few chances? Was he not getting open? Was Brian not calling his number enough? Or was Stanley not getting him the ball? Hopefully that improves too and I think it will.
1 Stanley missing very makeable plays
2. Brian going crazy with running plays when the running game isn't working at all
3. Runingbacks rarely getting more yards than the minimum that the offensive line allows.
Number 2 is easiest to fix. If all 3 improve, we will have the best offense since 02.
One last thing. Brandon Smith was big time in the limited chances he had. Who's fault was it that he got so few chances? Was he not getting open? Was Brian not calling his number enough? Or was Stanley not getting him the ball? Hopefully that improves too and I think it will.
RobHowe
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LOL.
Teams or athletes know when they are totally beat but an opponent miscue let's the beaten athlete or team back in the game. Many times you get that huge change in momentum and the team behind just feels it is their day and they all try 110% from that point on. That is the way it felt against the hawks last year.
The two calls against the hawk offensive line in what would be their last drive against Purdue is just one example. One if not both of those calls were very iffy and the Purdue players probably knew they were handed a gift. PU held on defense and when PU's offense came on the field in 4 down mode I am sure the PU players thought they could do it.
Letting a team or having a team be in 4 down mode makes it very hard on a defense and that is what happened.
There were many more examples last year with the two fumbles/punt botch up against Wisky, missing many opportunities against PSU and Kirk stupidly trying a stupid 4th down play with Mansell just before halftime of that game gave PSU momentum, and of course jNW was just a comedy of errors or lack of playmaking all around.
Those 4 games and those 4 losses were the whole season last year to separate the hawk players from 2015 immortality and a 9-4 record. I hope they make it go the other way this year.
pootspot
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I agree with all the above. I should’ve stated the missed opportunities/overthrow is squarely on NS. Iowa had people open so hard to say the play call wasn’t correct.I don't disagree.
But I don't disagree with Rob.
Because while it's easy to focus on a half dozen passes, some of which no qb should miss, shall we start counting up runs that didn't quite make it? How about when a play was called but the receiver couldn't get open?
Fact is there is plenty of blame to go around.
From play calling to blocking, to seeing holes and running better, to getting open, to yes some poorly thrown balls.
I said it in another thread, we don't need to improve a little, we need to improve a lot. The good news is that improving a lot will show if EVERYONE improves moderately.
The sum of all parts, or some shit like that.
Regardless I know I’ve been on a hate NS lately but I truly hope this is behind him as vital for Iowa to complete for the Big10 championship and more.
pootspot
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Make me understand how BF is the main culprit as you stare and seem to disagree with my view. I don’t see how they relate to the overthrows and history of unexplained misses by NS that IMO he has no biz missing if the level his stats say he should/is.
hawkeyebob62
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Some of the calls--such as the throwing on third down against Wisconsin with a small lead late in the game--are why Rob says that. It ain't hard to see. Yes, NS had his share of miscues, but it's rarely one single play or miscue that makes the difference.
RobHowe
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Where did I write that BF was the main culprit?
