Bryce Miller: Lack of playmakers, not Ferentz, causing Hawkeyes’ woes

[VAHawkFan]

you are seeing the results of back-to-back terrible classes in 08/09

look at the rankings since then. we had #6, #4, and #6 classes in the conference. things will bounce back. this is why its good to have an AD that will not make a panic move. we are very much a developmental program.

that being said, its critical to keep together and improve the current class, as well as avoid a bad year in 2013, so we dont repeat the same cycle

I'm generally supportive of KF. My position has been that he's earned a chance to turn things around and I'm not too up in arms about the down season we're having considering the off-season changes. And as a point of full disclosure, I'm also someone who gives some weight to the type of person we have coaching. I'd personally rather have a 7-5 or 8-4 Kirk Ferentz than a 10-2 Bobby Petrino any day of the year.

All that being said, if this is mostly the result of two failed classes, then it's important that KF and staff learn the lesson. If future classes falter/fall to injury/leave...then they need to be proactive rather than hold their breath and hope the "next man in" mantra comes to fruition. Proving they can avoid past mistakes has not been our staff's strong point.

 

[HawkeyeMHA]

I'd personally rather have a 7-5 or 8-4 Kirk Ferentz than a 10-2 Bobby Petrino any day of the year.

This. Give me Kurt over some of the other screaming baboons (the lunatic in nebby) any day. On a character level that is.

 

[Bigtenchamp]

gotta laugh a bit... so all that matters is Kirk is a nice guy eh?

That is a complete bunch of BS and no one really walks around feeling satisfied because of such things.

So we watch football in order to see a "nice guy" walking the sidelines.

Most of us don't want some crook - but please lol

 

[HawkeyeMHA]

yeah, i hear what you are saying. we need results, dont get me wrong. i want a likeable person and good coach. i have always backed kurt, i want results too, believe me, but i dont want to sea a baboon like pelini patrolling our sidelines though

 

[howdydodat]

Those stats are all fine and well, but are those stats for yards or points? I could care less about yards. Also curious where Iowa ranked against BCS teams.

You could care less about yards?? So you want to give credit to the offense for touchdowns the defense/special teams scored? Or how about if they put 3-7 points on the board but the defense/special teams got them the ball at the opponents 20? Now they don't have to gain any yards for 3 points and only needed 20 yards for a touchdown. Those points should be credited to the defense. Yards gained is a better indicator than points scored as far as how much the offense actually did.

 

[jsmhawk]

Kirk is coaching his tail off....he can't block, tackle, run, throw, catch the ball on the field, too.

Sure he is coaching his tail off, the problem is he just doesn't get it. Terrible Offensive philosphy and Schemes, poor clock management, unwillingness to change and adapt and unwillingness to take chances on 4th and short. KF does not lack effort and he cares, but he just lacks so many other things that are necessary to win in the current college football landscape.

 

[howdydodat]

I'm generally supportive of KF. My position has been that he's earned a chance to turn things around and I'm not too up in arms about the down season we're having considering the off-season changes. And as a point of full disclosure, I'm also someone who gives some weight to the type of person we have coaching. I'd personally rather have a 7-5 or 8-4 Kirk Ferentz than a 10-2 Bobby Petrino any day of the year.

All that being said, if this is mostly the result of two failed classes, then it's important that KF and staff learn the lesson. If future classes falter/fall to injury/leave...then they need to be proactive rather than hold their breath and hope the "next man in" mantra comes to fruition. Proving they can avoid past mistakes has not been our staff's strong point.

Why do people watch sports if they admit they'd rather lose with dignity than win by bending the rules just like everyone else. Petrino cheated on his wife, that's his business. Are you saying you wouldn't want Belichick? That guy flat out cheated his way to 3 championships. People seem to think he's swell.

There is obviously a limit to what someone does but most coaches don't do anything bad enough that warrants not hiring them if they're proven winners. Outside of Joe Pa/Penn State, I'm struggling to think of another coach I wouldn't hire. I bet even Tressel gets another job in a couple years if he decides he wants to coach. How about Pete Carroll? USC got a two year bowl ban and I don't think anybody here would be opposed if Pete Carroll came walking though that door tomorrow. If they would be against Carroll, well, then I don't know why they even bother watching sports. You'd be opposed to winning and would rather the team to lose. John Calipari is another example of a sketchy history. I think he just won a championship last year. But yeah... let's not even try to win. I love being 4-5.

 

[GhostofBTT]

Why do people watch sports if they admit they'd rather lose with dignity than win by bending the rules just like everyone else.

Really?

 

[HawkeyeMHA]

i'm ok with taking a few pounds out of the ball every now and then....

 

[NickM]

You could care less about yards?? So you want to give credit to the offense for touchdowns the defense/special teams scored? Or how about if they put 3-7 points on the board but the defense/special teams got them the ball at the opponents 20? Now they don't have to gain any yards for 3 points and only needed 20 yards for a touchdown. Those points should be credited to the defense. Yards gained is a better indicator than points scored as far as how much the offense actually did.

It's a long thread, so I don't expect people to read every post, but you've cherry picked one of my posts and used it for your point...which if you read through the thread you will see is exactly why I don't rely on stats to determine if a team is successful - you take one piece of info and use it to say what you want it to. As I said earlier, if Iowa scores 55 points and 500 yards against against Ball State but comes back next week and scores 3 points gaining 270 yards against Iowa State, your average stats would look pretty good, but would be a total lie in describing how good the offense really is. If I were to look at any stats to guess how a team is doing win/loss wise it's 3rd down conversion offense and 3rd down defense.

I've also said Iowa's problems are more philosophical: no tempo on offense, no gameplanning around the good players; the system is the same regardless of where the talent lies. And no willingness to try to put games away using offense. If Iowa has a 3rd and 6 with 3 minutes left clinging to a 2 point lead, KF runs a dive and punts instead of trying to pick of the first down and putting the game away right there. I think this is a tired and ineffective philosophy in the college game that is all about offense.

 

[jsmhawk]

You could care less about yards?? So you want to give credit to the offense for touchdowns the defense/special teams scored? Or how about if they put 3-7 points on the board but the defense/special teams got them the ball at the opponents 20? Now they don't have to gain any yards for 3 points and only needed 20 yards for a touchdown. Those points should be credited to the defense. Yards gained is a better indicator than points scored as far as how much the offense actually did.

Uh, No sir. Who gives a crap if the offense piles up yards and then turns the ball over in the red zone or has to settle for a field goal? If the offense puts up 400 yards and 9 points, the only thing that matters is the 9 points! The best indicator for how well an offense does is how many freaking touchdowns did your QB throw, or your RBs rush for.

 

[Herkyalert]

It's Greg Davis people.

 

[hawkdrummer1]

Ferentz is a great "development" coach (one of the best "assistant" coaches in college football).

But once the ball is kicked off, he can't coach his way out of a wet paper bag. Nor is he willing to hire a guy who can and let him run an aggressive offense. Greg Davis is indeed the problem...but also a symptom of the larger problem.

 

[Bigtenchamp]

one of the worst game day coaches I've ever seen.. shows how good he must be at everything else.

 

[brhawks18]

Bryce Miller: Lack of playmakers, not Ferentz, causing Hawkeyes’ woes | Hawk Central

Bryce Miller, you are an idiot. The head coach is responsible for all things on the field including the lack of playmakers.

 

[brhawks18]

The offenses results during the first 13 years of the KF era were either average or above average. You all wanted a change and you finally got it.

And you have "seen enough" of CJ to know how he should best be utilized more than the coaches who are with him everyday? Highly unlikely.

Wrong. They were average to slightly below average at best save for a few years only. The defense over the years have won many more games than the offense. KF is stuck in old time football. He needs to get in the modern day game and it's clear he has no plan to do that.

 

[rchawkeye]

Wrong. They were average to slightly below average at best save for a few years only. The defense over the years have won many more games than the offense. KF is stuck in old time football. He needs to get in the modern day game and it's clear he has no plan to do that.

So true. The 2012 team sets a new standard for offensive ineptitude. To say that the offense is "anemic" is and insult to people with anemia.