HawkeyeWalker
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It's not a great matchup, it's just the best chance of the possible #1s and #2s.
Bracketology 2/27
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It's not a great matchup, it's just the best chance of the possible #1s and #2s.
HawkeyeWalker
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Agreed. Win tomorrow, then worry about seed and matchups.
WindsorHawk
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Here's Gonzaga in the NCAA...Year and Seed.
2014 (8) - Won by 8 then lost by 23
2013 (1) - Won by 6 then lost by 6...came close to being the first 1 seed ever to lose to a 16 seed
2012 (7) - Won by 23 then lost by 7
2011 (11) - Won by 15 then lost by 22
2010 (8) - Won by 7 then lost by 22
2009 (4) - Won by 13 then won by 2 then lost by 21
2008 (7) - Lost by 6
2007 (10) - Lost by 13
2006 (3) - Won by 10 then won by 4 then lost by 2
2005 (3) - Won by 10 then lost by 2
2004 (2) - Won by 27 then lost by 19
2003 (9) - Won by 5 then lost by 1
2002 (6) - Lost by 7
So above are the Zags last 13 NCAA Tournament "runs." They proved to be a top 64 team 3 times. They proved to be a top 32 team 8 times. They proved to be a top 16 team twice. Not once in the last 13 years did they prove to be a top 8 team...deserving of a 1 or 2 seed. They are a mid-major...arguably the best mid-major ever on a year to year basis. But they are still a mid-major and play like one in the NCAA Tournament.
JG10Hawk
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In other words, they are due for a good run at some point
It's been over 5 years since they have made it out of the first weekend. They are bound to break that one and done streak sooner or later.In all seriousness though, who wouldn't rather play an unproven Gonzaga team over the likes of battle tested Kentucky, Virginia, Duke, Arizona, and etc. Like others have said, it doesn't mean they will be an easy win, just that most people would rather play them of the bunch because they haven't really beaten anybody yet.
Agree........not even thinking dance yet as this team can be inconsistent and I don't see any gimme's remaining. Look at PSU in the BIG at home and they are 3-4 with all losses by single digits which includes MD by 3, WI by 8, and an OT loss to Purdue.
HawkeyeWalker
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Agreed, more evidence that there really is no easy gimme game in the B1G.
No let down tonight! Win this one and I think the Hawks are in, then just a matter if a 8, 9, or 10 seed depending how we finish and how deep we go in the B1G tourney. Lose tonight and it's possible we have to win out.
Win tonight! Convincingly!
SpecialKHawk
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This game makes me nervous. Must win.
lightning1
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Texas has way too much talent to be on the bubble.
By your reasoning, since Gonzaga did not live up to their past seeds, they represent themselves as a Mid-Major (who we all expect not to live up to their billing at the NCAA tourney). But Iowa's last 10 years in the NCAA tourney was:
2014 (11 seed) loss
2006 (3 seed) loss......really?
2005 (10 seed) loss
H*##, Zaga has at least 8 NCAA wins in that time period. No matter what #1 seed Iowa plays, it is a for sure loss, IF they would get past the first game, and that is a BIG IF, based on their past experience......since that is what you are using to determine this year's teams, right?
I do understand the conventional wisdom thinking Gonzaga does not have as good as athletes as the other #1 seeds, and this would make them an easier upset possibility. BUT, I think if Gonzaga was playing Iowa, they would love nothing better than beating a Big 10 team and have that David vs Goliath mentality. The other #1 seeds may overlook Iowa and thus Iowa MAY actually have a better chance to beat them.
2014 (11 seed) loss
2006 (3 seed) loss......really?
2005 (10 seed) loss
H*##, Zaga has at least 8 NCAA wins in that time period. No matter what #1 seed Iowa plays, it is a for sure loss, IF they would get past the first game, and that is a BIG IF, based on their past experience......since that is what you are using to determine this year's teams, right?
I do understand the conventional wisdom thinking Gonzaga does not have as good as athletes as the other #1 seeds, and this would make them an easier upset possibility. BUT, I think if Gonzaga was playing Iowa, they would love nothing better than beating a Big 10 team and have that David vs Goliath mentality. The other #1 seeds may overlook Iowa and thus Iowa MAY actually have a better chance to beat them.
deanvogs
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I would want to face Gonzaga for the same reasons I'd want to face UNI in the first round. They are teams that are sooooooo untest in their conference, you can never know how they will react when they get in a tough contested game. For instance UNI has the #199 Conference SOS and #162 overall. Zags are better at the #167 conference SOS and #92 overall, but really, really weak. Both of those teams would be 5 spots lower in seeding if they played in a real conference, it is just a fact.
trj
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I would rather play Virginia give me a game that would be a defensive struggle that you would have to grind out late to win. The other 3 teams(Duke, Zaga and Kentucky) are so much better than Iowa offensively and in transition that the game would be similar to ISU game where it would be close for a while then the flood gates open.
trj
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Yet somehow Rick Barnes gets a pass. Texas always has talent. Other than the Durant team that got to the elite 8 when has Texas really done anything?
lightning1
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Robowe
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Kevin Durant's Texas team lost to USC (with Nick Young and Taj Gibson) in the 2nd round of his only NCAA tournament.
http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=274000021
trj
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My bad, I am probably thinking of Lamarcus Alridge. I completely forgot about the TJ Ford final 4 team. As lightning1 has pointed out they have accomplished a little more than I have given Barnes credit for. That being said, the talent that has been through there and the talent they have access to you would expect a lot more.
