Well I was right about one of them switching positions by the end of spring but I was wrong about which one.... I guess time will tell on if it's the right move or not. I was really hoping that Boyle could have picked right up where CJ leaves off as a mobile qb. I just think that aspect makes defending our style of play so much harder. I'm not going to go picking apart Weigers or Cooks play from that scrimmage so much I think Weigers has a heck of an arm and the best throw he had was dropped by McCarron on that corner route. Cook I just haven't made up my mind on. He's not a statue back there he showed he could run a little but not like Boyle can. I'm not so sure about his arm his throws didn't seem to have a tight spriral on them most of the time. The qb position is just such big deal that I really hope that this staff gets this right. I've read so many good things about Stanley too. He's got a gun of an arm and is pretty athletic too. I think Weigers will start after CJ graduates but for how long is the question. I could see Stanley leap frogging him and Cook if he's half of what he's cracked up to be. So if that's the case and Boyle can be a play maker in a role like Braxton Miller had at OSU ( they are similar in size) this may be the best thing going forward. Let the second guessing begin....
Boyle & Cook
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HawkeyeFan57
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So you think that a 1st year player is going to surpass a player with 3 years in the system??? Or how about his second year??? So a redshirt freshman is going to jump ahead a 5th year senior with a full year of experience. Both very unlikely.
Call me crazy but I'm just not completely sold on Weigers... It's not really based on anything fair since he hasn't really played much. And I've seen even less of Stanley. Just purely a gut feeling that I think Stanley is going to be a stud. And yes that'd be so far and away from what KF does it's very unlikely. I've been wrong before... As I admitted earlier I was one of those who thought Boyle would beat out Cook and he'd move to TE so I'm used to being wrong haha.
DP5555
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I think people are reading way too much into Boyle lining up at WR. Ferentz said himself that the move isn't permanent. They are set at the #1 and #2 QB positions right now. Boyle has an athletic ability that can be utilized on the field instead of on the bench. I think this is a case where all parties involved in the decision agreed that you might as well put the kid on the field and let him contribute if he can.
I don't think he's necessarily done as a QB. Now if he goes out there and lights it up as a WR then the position change will most likely stick. Time will tell.
I don't think he's necessarily done as a QB. Now if he goes out there and lights it up as a WR then the position change will most likely stick. Time will tell.
trj
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I disagree. I think the move is permanent and he is going to get playing time at receiver this year. Unlike AJ Derby I think he is being open-minded to all this.
HawkeyeStout
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I am happy to see that Ryan has been open minded to this change, but one of the reasons he chose Iowa was because they said they weren't going to try to make him play another position (like alot of the other schools that were looking at him). With that being said, the kid is a stud athlete that wants to compete. I think he thinks this could be short term and he could eventually go back to QB. But who knows... for right now, its just exciting to see the best athletes getting reps
SpiderRico
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From everything I've heard and understood, the move was instigated by Ryan due to his desire to get on the field now. Sounds like he was willing to let his desire to play QB take a backseat to getting on the field and making plays. Obviously the coaching staff was good with that....
trj
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Sounds a lot like Tim Dwight stuck behind 2 or 3 runningbacks he wanted to get on the field.......DB and then to receiver was the quickest way.
Put me in the camp that Boyles move is permanent.. Unless QBs start getting hurt I don't see him going back even after CJ graduates. They are recruiting a qb for the following class too I saw.. I felt it was inevitable from the time both he and Cook signed that one of them was going to move before either saw the field in a game. It was just a matter of how soon and which one..
Randolfo
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I have thought all along that neither Boyle nor Cook would play QB at Iowa. The spring game did nothing to change that notion. Boyle is a great athlete but not necessarily a great thrower. Cook is tall and athletic and has lineage at the TE position. If Stanley is as advertised when he gets in, and is equal Cook and Boyle already, look for Stanley to be the 2nd string QB in 2017, Boyle to be a WR, and Cook to be a TE.
I'd say there's a better chance of Stanley jumping Cook that then people realize... Iowa usually likes to recruit just 1 qb per class. So when they do this and like they did the year they had 3 committed (2 ended up signing) something just has to give. However I don't see Cook moving as that would put Iowa down to just 2 scholarship qbs... That's how they roll in the NFL but they wouldn't do that at Iowa. I'd say that your 3 qbs next yr will be Weigers/Stanley/Cook in that order after spring ball a yr from now and Cook will have a decision to make much like Boyle..
LurkinGopher
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As a Gopher, I get to live in Iowa and have an unbiased view of the Hawkeyes' football programs. You may not like my assessment, but I follow the program fairly closely and have a pretty open mind.
I attended the Valley practice and the Spring game. I agree; not sold on Weigers. He has the prototypical size and we all hear he is a smart kid, but every time I've seen him he has execution issues - fumbles, picks, errant throws, appears confused if his first couple options aren't there. He will throw the ball out of bounds before looking to scramble and keep a play alive. he had multiple fumbles at last year's spring game, both valley practices and 4 last Saturday - so I question his athleticism. Throws a lot of interceptions (1 at Valley and 2 at the Spring game). Kinda plods. If he's the clear #2, I like the Gopher's chances in 2017 and beyond!
As for Cook. Suspect arm (never seen him throw a tight spitral) and just doesn't look right to me in the QB position.
I haven't heard/seen much about the new recruit Stanley, so I googled him. I don't buy the hype here either. 42-48% completion ratio in high school is bad. Not as athletic as I'd like either with only 177 yards for the season. I know..."only high school," but that is why the stats should impress, right? It's just high school (in Wisconsin for Christ's sake).
http://www.wissports.net/roster_players/8577360?subseason=231960
Was excited when Boyle visited Minnesota as a high school kid. When the Hawks offered, I figured he'd commit to the Hawks and your coaches would't know what to do with him. Great athlete. Nice arm. Tough competitor and a winner. I hope this kid gets disenchanted and transfers up North. He'd perfect as a QB in our offense and most other college schemes for that matter.
Ski-u-mah!
You have Interesting takes on them. I like seeing what others think too through glasses that aren't black and gold. There's just something about how Cook throws that I'm not crazy about too. It's not smooth/natural I dunno if I have the right adjective for it but there's just something about it that isn't what you'd like.
Stanleys high school stats aren't the way to measure him fairly. The offense they ran was a wing T old school run first second and 3rd... Much like Chuck Long came from. He had no HS stats to speak of either. I think Iowa stumbled on Stanley while recruiting someone else. He really didn't do the camp circuit either. If he'd have done more of those he'd have been nationally recruited. Really all you need to know is Wisky, Pitt and other schools came sniffing at him late trying to get him to decommit. Iowa was fortunate to get in on him really early and he was the first to commit in that class I believe so he shut down his recruitment. He wasn't out there selling himself like so many others do cause he didn't feel like he had to. He's a really good athlete as a basketball player and baseball (95 mph fastball) he's wanting to go into pre med so he's pretty smart. I think he's the perfect type of QB Iowa'd like to have with one exception being he can't do what....
What Boyle can do with his legs is going to be special. I hope moving him to WR is a good thing but man I was hopeful he could be a special QB. When defenses have to try stopping a pro style offense with a mobile qb it's just a game changer.. But if he was 4th down the list as it stands then it makes sense to try him somewhere else.. When there's no path to playing time and they've recruited your position behind you (as is always the case) something just had to give. And this is better then him transfering to play qb in MN.... JS
HawkInATX
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Oh god... it's another Rudock in the making!!!!! Does he like to throw 3 yard outs, too?
SteveGarvey1
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You're right, I don't like your assessment. Can't tell if it's unbiased though or just overly negative because your a Gopher-guy.
DP5555
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Curious... If you followed the Hawks closely you'd know that they are breaking in two new centers. I was on the field for both the Valley practice, and the Spring Game. Weigers was certainly having difficulty with the center/QB exchange, but it was almost 100% on the center. At Valley CJ kept bringing Welsh over to the side and snapping with him. It's a work in progress. Weigers was having trouble catching the snap when he was in shotgun because the centers are still trying to get used to snapping it. Several of the fumbles were balls that were in the dirt, and I noticed most of the snaps had too much zip on them. You don't want the center launching the ball at the QB. It needs to be a quick snap, but not a laser. You want it to be a catch-able ball. The QB is surveying the defense. He's trying to keep his eyes down the field. When they zip the ball back there it's a distraction because they aren't ready for it.
Now, there may have been a couple fumbles that were his fault. I specifically remember one where he was facing pressure and he got stripped. I just think the majority of that issue will be corrected as the new centers get acclimated.
With that said, I think some of the other points you make are valid. He definitely needs to work on his decision making and progression. That comes with playing time though. There's always a difference between practice and a game. There's an adjustment phase. I'm confident he would adjust. Weigers has a really nice arm. He made a handful of throws at Valley and in the spring game that were impressive.
I'm not sold on Cook at QB either. I've said it before and I'll say it again.... If the coaches don't get more out of Weigers and Cook in the next year then they'll bring Boyle back into the QB competition. Boyle was getting the 3rd string reps at the Valley practice. That would lead you to believe he was in front of Cook. He just changed positions now because they have a need for his athleticism at WR.
