Boxing vs. UFC, again...

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ICbornNraised

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So did anyone see the Paqui vs. Mosley fight? I heard it was horrible.

Out of my friends, I'm one of the last ones to still enjoy boxing(They like UFC). I can't hold out any longer. I like good boxing, but this crap lately that people have been paying $50+ for is not worth it, and I have to admit it. No excitement, no known names.

Until Floyd Mayweather and Paquiao fight....R.I.P. Boxing.


Thoughts?
 
I agree. Both are at fault for hurting the sport and it's to bad because it would get a lot of attention.

I didn't expect much out of this fight though. Anyone who did doesn't follow boxing. Mosley has been on a big decline for a while now. So going up against one of the best fighters I've ever seen was unfair and I thought it was a joke how much Boxing tried to hype up this fight. The sport is getting pathetic and my interest is fading.
 
I like both.

The biggest potential issue I see for UFC is that sooner or later, great college wrestlers are going to figure out that they can dominate UFC if they decide to.

The best pound for pound fighter on the planet, Anderson Silva, got flat out dominated by a good wrestler for the entire fight but caught him in a choke with 30 seconds left.

If UFC turns into legit professional wrestling, with little stand up fighting action, the sport won't last long.
 
i really don't think wrestlers will ruin the ufc if anything help it...they have to stand up too and go blow for blow..a good wrestler won't necessarily be good in the ring they will have to have a good chin and power to dominate. where i think a lot of wrestlers will have an advantage is training and conditioning wrestlers have some screws lose sometimes
 
Xerxes said:
I like both.

The biggest potential issue I see for UFC is that sooner or later, great college wrestlers are going to figure out that they can dominate UFC if they decide to.

The best pound for pound fighter on the planet, Anderson Silva, got flat out dominated by a good wrestler for the entire fight but caught him in a choke with 30 seconds left.

If UFC turns into legit professional wrestling, with little stand up fighting action, the sport won't last long.
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Yea but Josh Koscheck was a national champ and 4 time AA yet he couldn't take GSP down and got absolutely hammered in the stand up.
 
Xerxes said:
I like both.

The biggest potential issue I see for UFC is that sooner or later, great college wrestlers are going to figure out that they can dominate UFC if they decide to.

The best pound for pound fighter on the planet, Anderson Silva, got flat out dominated by a good wrestler for the entire fight but caught him in a choke with 30 seconds left.

If UFC turns into legit professional wrestling, with little stand up fighting action, the sport won't last long.
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Silva still ended up winning the fight. Great wrestlers will never dominate. They're hands are no match for a MMA fighter. They are good in one area, but pi** poor in stand-up.
 
hwkifan4evs said:
Yea but Josh Koscheck was a national champ and 4 time AA yet he couldn't take GSP down and got absolutely hammered in the stand up.
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Good point, but does GSP simply have better wrestling skills than Koscheck even though he wasn't know as one? If he couldn't take him down, to me that says yes, GSP does. Everytime I watch that man fight, he shows no weakness. He's the elite of the elite with Silva.

Basically, the point is the better wrestler has the advantage unless they simply can't take a punch. If UFC goes in that direction I believe it will hurt the product because it will take away stand up action and force the action more to the ground.
 
superfan12 said:
Silva still ended up winning the fight. Great wrestlers will never dominate. They're hands are no match for a MMA fighter. They are good in one area, but pi** poor in stand-up.
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I don't know that I agree with this statement. Some wrestlers are only good in one area. There have been some VERY good wrestlers that were well rounded MMA fighters too though. I don't know about you but I would be scared to death to stand toe to toe with Brock Lesnar, Randy Couture, Matt Hughes, Rashad Evans etc. Wrestlers IMO have a huge advantage because they have been taught leverage, conditioning, pushing their mind and body to the limits and beyond - way before they reach fighting age. Picking up some of the other skills IMO would be easier than trying to teach the talents that they have learned for years while getting your face beat in. I get what you are saying from a general standpoint and maybe at the lower levels of MMA I agree, but I think by the time they are UFC fighters most wrestlers (that I can think of) are past just shooting takedowns.
 
Trying to shoot takedowns is a lot different when you have to worry about getting you block knocked off. You can't push on a guys head and then shoot the single leg.

With that said, wrestling is a great foundation for making an MMA fighter, perhaps the best...

Best fighters: Great jujitsu, good boxing, good wrestling.

Nick Diaz is one of my favs, because he can box. He is actually having a boxing match soon. Not many people can do both MMA and boxing, simultaneously. Actually, I cant think of anyone else that does.
 
ICbornNraised said:
Trying to shoot takedowns is a lot different when you have to worry about getting you block knocked off. You can't push on a guys head and then shoot the single leg.

With that said, wrestling is a great foundation for making an MMA fighter, perhaps the best...

Best fighters: Great jujitsu, good boxing, good wrestling.

Nick Diaz is one of my favs, because he can box. He is actually having a boxing match soon. Not many people can do both MMA and boxing, simultaneously. Actually, I cant think of anyone else that does.
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Both Diaz brothers are punks. Nick is the better one, he is a good fighter, but he is a punk, can't stand him.
 
forcheyhawk said:
I don't know that I agree with this statement. Some wrestlers are only good in one area. There have been some VERY good wrestlers that were well rounded MMA fighters too though. I don't know about you but I would be scared to death to stand toe to toe with Brock Lesnar, Randy Couture, Matt Hughes, Rashad Evans etc. Wrestlers IMO have a huge advantage because they have been taught leverage, conditioning, pushing their mind and body to the limits and beyond - way before they reach fighting age. Picking up some of the other skills IMO would be easier than trying to teach the talents that they have learned for years while getting your face beat in. I get what you are saying from a general standpoint and maybe at the lower levels of MMA I agree, but I think by the time they are UFC fighters most wrestlers (that I can think of) are past just shooting takedowns.
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I agree with you on those points. I just don't think a pure wrestler, turned MMA fighter would dominate. Lesnar does because he is a goliath of a man, and even then, Velasquez beat him at his own game with better hands.
 
ICbornNraised said:
So did anyone see the Paqui vs. Mosley fight? I heard it was horrible.

Out of my friends, I'm one of the last ones to still enjoy boxing(They like UFC). I can't hold out any longer. I like good boxing, but this crap lately that people have been paying $50+ for is not worth it, and I have to admit it. No excitement, no known names.

Until Floyd Mayweather and Paquiao fight....R.I.P. Boxing.


Thoughts?
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Mayweather has the nasty combo of women problems and legal woes so he may not have a choice, but to go for the huge payday.
 
Someone made a good point once that UFC might actually be safer than Boxing, since you can get rocked and knocked to the ground in boxing, but have a chance to recover. If this happens several times during a fight, even more than once, it'll greatly increase the chance of long term brain damage. Knocked down in UFC and you're usually finished. Not very often you're taking fists to the face for several rounds in UFC.
 
I think you also have to be a much better fighter overall and in better condition to fight in UFC. No one has the skill set to completely dominate ANYONE in UFC.
 
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