Bohannon crow anyone?

Hawk5656 said:
Stole this from another site. Kind of proves my point how weak we are at PG this year

Here's a look at the roster using win shares per 40.

Jok .203; He has an outstanding 7.5 offensive box +/- but a poor -1.0 defensive sum. The inability to play defense at a high level will probably relegate him to being a JR Smith type shooter off the bench in the NBA as a ceiling.

Baer .166; Not surprising that he is ranked #2 on the team. He is a jack of all trades type player. He also has the highest defensive box score on the team at 5.7.

Kreiner .147; Hopefully the positive takeaway for Fran this weekend is Kreiner factoring into the regular rotation more frequently going forward. His ability to spread the floor should create some mismatches for opposing 5's.

Pemsl .137; He's a solid all around post that can play the 5 in stretches but better suited at the 4.

Ellingson .128; A little hard to believe but he has the highest true shooting % on the team at .713. He also leads the team in 3pt% at a very good .485. He doesn't take a lot of bad shots. He's an ideal 7-8 guy.

Daily .105; with only 73 minutes played it's a small sample size to make an accurate assessment. I think his play should warrant some additional opportunity at the wing.

Cook .104; he's a fine offensive post player but he has limitations in other areas of his game that negatively impact his total. For one thing, his rebound percentage is actual lower than Jok's. His block percentage is lower than Moss'. His assist percentage is almost non-existent. For the things he does well offensively in the post, there are things he needs to work on in the other areas of his game.

Wagner .104; essentially the opposite of Cook. He does well defensively, has a solid assist block and steal percentage. His rebounding percentage leaves plenty of room for improvement and he's very limited offensively.

Bohannon .073; I expected him to be higher. His PER is only 11.4 which is 10th on the team. His steal percentage is 11th on the team which is disappointing for a pg. His rebound percentage is 13th, only higher than Ellingson. His defensive box score +/- is last on the team if you don't count Charlie Rose and his 8 minutes. He certainly has a lot of potential if he can learn to play adequate defense.

Moss .067; 11.6 PER which is disappointing for a starting 2. His rebounding percentage is on par with Bohannon and his steal percentage is on par with Ellingson. You would expect a better athlete to be improved in those areas. The good news is that Devyn Marble was a terrible .052 WS/40 his freshman year and improved to .122 by his second season. Hopefully Moss can follow that same trajectory.

Uhl .051; There's just not much to like here. His defensive box +/- is a serviceable 1.2 but his offensive score is -1.9. He's basically fallen back to his freshman year advanced stats after a solid sophomore season (WS/40 .122). His PER (10.4) is the worst of anyone getting decent minutes not named Christian Williams. His turnover % is 2nd worst on the team.

Williams .032; There's no real positive way to spin this. He leads the team in turnovers %. His PER is an atrocious 8.0. If we had something else on this team resembling a backup pg, I would give serious consideration to moving him to the 2 and see if he can improve when he's not the primary ball handler. The problem there is that he's still a bad shooter with the worst true shooting % on the team. The one positive thing is that his defensive box +/- actual shows a respectable defensive sum. He's just such a trainwreck offensively that it doesn't matter. Maybe the long-term solution would be a move to the wing as a defensive specialist, essentially what we thought Brandon Hutton would be.
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This proves you lied about not posting much going forward. Other than that, it proves young players need to improve....wow!
 
Iowa made the northwestern point guard look like an all American. He is a great player though. The guy has been around for probably three years, and he did almost whatever he wanted to. Iowa did look poorly coached against northwestern.
 
Hawk5656 said:
Stole this from another site. Kind of proves my point how weak we are at PG this year

Here's a look at the roster using win shares per 40.

Jok .203; He has an outstanding 7.5 offensive box +/- but a poor -1.0 defensive sum. The inability to play defense at a high level will probably relegate him to being a JR Smith type shooter off the bench in the NBA as a ceiling.

Baer .166; Not surprising that he is ranked #2 on the team. He is a jack of all trades type player. He also has the highest defensive box score on the team at 5.7.

Kreiner .147; Hopefully the positive takeaway for Fran this weekend is Kreiner factoring into the regular rotation more frequently going forward. His ability to spread the floor should create some mismatches for opposing 5's.

Pemsl .137; He's a solid all around post that can play the 5 in stretches but better suited at the 4.

Ellingson .128; A little hard to believe but he has the highest true shooting % on the team at .713. He also leads the team in 3pt% at a very good .485. He doesn't take a lot of bad shots. He's an ideal 7-8 guy.

Daily .105; with only 73 minutes played it's a small sample size to make an accurate assessment. I think his play should warrant some additional opportunity at the wing.

Cook .104; he's a fine offensive post player but he has limitations in other areas of his game that negatively impact his total. For one thing, his rebound percentage is actual lower than Jok's. His block percentage is lower than Moss'. His assist percentage is almost non-existent. For the things he does well offensively in the post, there are things he needs to work on in the other areas of his game.

Wagner .104; essentially the opposite of Cook. He does well defensively, has a solid assist block and steal percentage. His rebounding percentage leaves plenty of room for improvement and he's very limited offensively.

Bohannon .073; I expected him to be higher. His PER is only 11.4 which is 10th on the team. His steal percentage is 11th on the team which is disappointing for a pg. His rebound percentage is 13th, only higher than Ellingson. His defensive box score +/- is last on the team if you don't count Charlie Rose and his 8 minutes. He certainly has a lot of potential if he can learn to play adequate defense.

Moss .067; 11.6 PER which is disappointing for a starting 2. His rebounding percentage is on par with Bohannon and his steal percentage is on par with Ellingson. You would expect a better athlete to be improved in those areas. The good news is that Devyn Marble was a terrible .052 WS/40 his freshman year and improved to .122 by his second season. Hopefully Moss can follow that same trajectory.

Uhl .051; There's just not much to like here. His defensive box +/- is a serviceable 1.2 but his offensive score is -1.9. He's basically fallen back to his freshman year advanced stats after a solid sophomore season (WS/40 .122). His PER (10.4) is the worst of anyone getting decent minutes not named Christian Williams. His turnover % is 2nd worst on the team.

Williams .032; There's no real positive way to spin this. He leads the team in turnovers %. His PER is an atrocious 8.0. If we had something else on this team resembling a backup pg, I would give serious consideration to moving him to the 2 and see if he can improve when he's not the primary ball handler. The problem there is that he's still a bad shooter with the worst true shooting % on the team. The one positive thing is that his defensive box +/- actual shows a respectable defensive sum. He's just such a trainwreck offensively that it doesn't matter. Maybe the long-term solution would be a move to the wing as a defensive specialist, essentially what we thought Brandon Hutton would be.
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Also from the TOS. In conference play:

Kreiner: .144
Jok: .106
Baer: .100
Cook: .086
Dailey: .077
JaBo: .073
Ellingson: .048
Uhl: .043
Wagner: .011
Pemsl: .008
Moss: -.032
Williams: -.061

So JaBo is 4th of the guys in our regular rotation, behind Jok, Baer, and Cook. Again, he struggled at the beginning of the year, but has played much better since becoming the starter. Big game for your clones tonight!
 
Hawk5656 said:
He's probably close to last in terms of impressive assists.

He's not averaging 9 PPG.

He probably doesn't have the 9th best Orate after last night's egg laying. The main problem is his defense. When you have a 5'10 wingspan and you can't recover to close out it doesn't matter what Fran does he can't hide you on defense.
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He is averaging 8.8 ppg. If you round that to the nearest point, it's 9 ppg.
 
Hawk5656 said:
Bump to be fair
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He is a freshman who will have some good games and some bad games. Most real fans believe he will be a great Hawkeye. Despite a tough shooting night, he nailed a monster 3 late to tie the game. He has guts. I like that. He's asked to do a lot as a Freshman and he has a boat load of potential. Go back to Cyfan.
 
DJL said:
He is a freshman who will have some good games and some bad games. Most real fans believe he will be a great Hawkeye. Despite a tough shooting night, he nailed a monster 3 late to tie the game. He has guts. I like that. He's asked to do a lot as a Freshman and he has a boat load of potential. Go back to Cyfan.
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This thread was started because people think I was wrong when I said Bohannon would struggle. He's struggled but now I can't bump it?
 
Hawk5656 said:
This thread was started because people think I was wrong when I said Bohannon would struggle. He's struggled but now I can't bump it?
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You say he's terrible. He is not terrible. He has some rough games. Lots of guys have struggled this year. Are you going to make a thread for every player for our enjoyment?
 
DJL said:
You say he's terrible. He is not terrible. He has some rough games. Lots of guys have struggled this year. Are you going to make a thread for every player for our enjoyment?
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No. 56 is gonna troll Jordan and he will be hitting the Iowa can't make the NIT troll pretty freaking hard now.
 
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DJL said:
You say he's terrible. He is not terrible. He has some rough games. Lots of guys have struggled this year. Are you going to make a thread for every player for our enjoyment?
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He's at best the sixth best player on a bad team
 
Hawk5656 said:
He's at best the sixth best player on a bad team
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Hawk5656 said:
What's wrong about that?
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Let me ask you this. Other than Jok, who would we miss the most if they got injured? So "best" is an interesting term. Others may have had more success, but Jordan running the point and doing all the things makes him one of the more valued players on the team because we don't have anyone else that can do it close to as well as he does. It's a ton of responsibility for a young player and yes he struggles at times, but sometimes he's really good. He's going to be really good. So there are not 5 other guys I would rather have on the team than him. Sorry.
 
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