Bleak Future?

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I can deal with a rebuilding year. The problem I have is that I don't see rebuilding happening. By this, I mean to say I am concerned at how few young players seem to be getting developed on this sub-par team. Like last year when Mac went down and the team went with a fifth year senior walk-on and basically tanked for the rest of the year, the Hawks seem to have gone the same route.
The problem is that as we have seen with Tobin's inconsistent play, having guys have to come in with no experience is NOT a way to be successful.

So, here is my question: "Which young players do you see being developed for future team success?" What is your list?

As I see it, it is only really Morris, Kirksey, and M-Manley. I thought Hitchens would be on that list, but instead we see Donatell getting his reps.

So tell me your list.
 


I believe we have a good future with the guys who came in the last few years. Jake Rudock will be a solid player in the future and we have alot of good young backs that will be good in the future. We have a good group of young wideouts and the oline will get better with young talent.
 


RoseBowlBound said:
I believe we have a good future with the guys who came in the last few years. Jake Rudock will be a solid player in the future and we have alot of good young backs that will be good in the future. We have a good group of young wideouts and the oline will get better with young talent.
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Okay, so which ones are being developed? Basically, people have been saying this about the Oline for 3 years, but none of these guys see the field even when we radically need someone. So, again, WHO IS BEING DEVELOPED? Because that is the definition of a rebuilding year.

Remember when Mitch and Matt were getting trampled as freshmen, so they could develop? Remember when Greenwood was getting torched for long touchdowns? Instead we have fifth year seniors getting trampled, so we can have some kid who has no experience get trampled again next year?
 
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I think its a bit too early to say that. There are seven regular season games left. That is a lot of time for young players to get some playing time and make important investments in the future.

My guess is, with four of the next five games at home, more and more young players will be worked into the mix.

I was frustrated yesterday too, but no one expected this to be a 'great' Iowa football team. Most predictions were 7-5 and 8-4...and a lot of that was based on the schedule. Taking away the schedule, I don't argue with Deace's preseason opinion on this team; it seemed like 6-6 talent but the schedule was worth a couple more wins.

We'll see how it goes.

If you can get to a bowl game in a rebuilding year at Iowa (historically), that's outperforming the norm.

Still a lot of football left to play.

The loss of McCall hurts more each week, too
 


JonDMiller said:
I think its a bit too early to say that. There are seven regular season games left. That is a lot of time for young players to get some playing time and make important investments in the future.

My guess is, with four of the next five games at home, more and more young players will be worked into the mix.

I was frustrated yesterday too, but no one expected this to be a 'great' Iowa football team. Most predictions were 7-5 and 8-4...and a lot of that was based on the schedule. Taking away the schedule, I don't argue with Deace's preseason opinion on this team; it seemed like 6-6 talent but the schedule was worth a couple more wins.

We'll see how it goes.

If you can get to a bowl game in a rebuilding year at Iowa (historically), that's outperforming the norm.

Still a lot of football left to play.

The loss of McCall hurts more each week, too
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JDM -

My contention has always been that with the investment in the football program, that this kind of talent gap should be inexcusable. Yesterday's loss wasn't overly schematic on the defensive side.. there weren't mismatches.

We were simply out muscled. 5 O-Lineman against 8 in the box, and it went for 10+ yards time and time again.

I am ok with the occasional 7-5 year, but it is looking more and more like 2009 was a blip on the radar and that KF is a 7-5 coach. I think we can do better then that.
 


Again, I don't have a problem with rebuilding as long as you are developing guys for the future. And playing freshmen on special teams and against ULM isn't what I mean.
 


I completely agree. Nobody is getting playing time when they can't really do any worse than the guys that are in.

DL-- Cooper and Davis get more reps
LB-- Hitchens Alston
Secondary-- Lowery (when healthy) and Law

OL-- Scherff
RB- Canzeri an dBullock
WR--Shumpert and Grant
TE--CJ Fed and the freshman from OH- name slipping away from me

They need important reps. Not saying starting, but some meaningful reps
 


BSpringsteen said:
JDM -

My contention has always been that with the investment in the football program, that this kind of talent gap should be inexcusable. Yesterday's loss wasn't overly schematic on the defensive side.. there weren't mismatches.

We were simply out muscled. 5 O-Lineman against 8 in the box, and it went for 10+ yards time and time again.

I am ok with the occasional 7-5 year, but it is looking more and more like 2009 was a blip on the radar and that KF is a 7-5 coach. I think we can do better then that.
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This "7-5 coach" has an awful lot of blips.
 




BSpringsteen said:
How far in the rear view mirror does the 3 year run have to be to pay more attention to the last 6 - now 7 years?
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That's exactly what I'm starting to wonder - how long does KF get a free pass because of 2002-04?

People talk about "short memories", but one has to have a longer memory to go back to 2002-04. That isn't just yesterday anymore.
 




BSpringsteen said:
JDM -

My contention has always been that with the investment in the football program, that this kind of talent gap should be inexcusable. Yesterday's loss wasn't overly schematic on the defensive side.. there weren't mismatches.

We were simply out muscled. 5 O-Lineman against 8 in the box, and it went for 10+ yards time and time again.

I am ok with the occasional 7-5 year, but it is looking more and more like 2009 was a blip on the radar and that KF is a 7-5 coach. I think we can do better then that.
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By that measure, 2002 was a blip on the radar, or every good Iowa season is a blip on the radar.

KF chooses to play a brand of football that rewards execution, fundamental balance and making fewer mistakes than your opponent...Iowa went nearly 50 games between losses of more than 10 points...not a stat that you put on a t-shirt, but this has been a very, very competitive program during his era.

I don't think you can throw all that into one bucket of 'Iowa has just been lucky'.
 


JonDMiller said:
By that measure, 2002 was a blip on the radar, or every good Iowa season is a blip on the radar.

KF chooses to play a brand of football that rewards execution, fundamental balance and making fewer mistakes than your opponent...Iowa went nearly 50 games between losses of more than 10 points...not a stat that you put on a t-shirt, but this has been a very, very competitive program during his era.

I don't think you can throw all that into one bucket of 'Iowa has just been lucky'.
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I think luck has a lot to do with wins and losses in general, but why do I care that we've gone 50 games without a loss of more than 10 points.

Wins and Losses is ALL THAT MATTERS.

You enjoy watching close games that we love?

OK good, I don't either.
 




It's hard to develop players when they keep leaving the program for whatever reason.

In the past 3 years I understand 27 players left the team. That's one third of an entire team on scholarship.

How many of these players would have been starting or at least significantly contributing had they stayed? My guess is probably half of them.

Let's hope for more program stability going forward and keeping the younger players being developed for 4 or 5 years.
 


jameskalina said:
It's hard to develop players when they keep leaving the program for whatever reason.

In the past 3 years I understand 27 players left the team. That's one third of an entire team on scholarship.

How many of these players would have been starting or at least significantly contributing had they stayed? My guess is probably half of them.

Let's hope for more program stability going forward and keeping the younger players being developed for 4 or 5 years.
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That could be a bigger problem that is not being addressed. WHY are players leaving? Is that why we are supposedly so short on talent this year?

When 2-3 players leave a basketball team, like was going on under Lickliter, it is extremely visible. Not so much when it's part of a much bigger roster and/or it's young players that have not yet seen the field because they're behind so-and-so on the depth chart. You don't tend to notice until you suddenly have a 6-6 team and then people point out that apparently 27 players have left the program for one reason or another. It's got to have a detrimental impact.
 




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