Big Ten Recruiting Rankings

[ColumbusHawk]

Hey columbus we were discussing this the other day, and Rittenberg has now confused me more as he reports what i once thought.

Minnesota has announced its 2012 recruiting class, which includes 31 members (25 incoming freshmen and six junior-college players). Before the oversigning complaints begin, remember that the junior-college players don't count in the same class and help Minnesota address numbers issues in older classes.

Eight players are already enrolled at the school.

So can you explain to me the rules again. Seriously I'm confused by how htis works in the B1G. Also, you said you could sign +3 and get to 88, so how do they make that work to get back to 85.

Hopefully, you sign several players like Rodney Coe. Plus, with last minute transfers & academic issues the program comes down to the 85-scholarship limit. Otherwise, the program does not renew the scholarships of several existing players. Just like Huggins did with Bawinkle at West Virginia.

Of course, it doesn't look very good to the Big Ten office if a program "cuts" a player just because he didn't live up to his recruiting hype.

 

[hawkfarmer]

Hopefully, you sign several players like Rodney Coe. Plus, with last minute transfers & academic issues the program comes down to the 85-scholarship limit. Otherwise, the program does not renew the scholarships of several existing players. Just like Huggins did with Bawinkle at West Virginia.

Of course, it doesn't look very good to the Big Ten office if a program "cuts" a player just because he didn't live up to his recruiting hype.

So B1G is no better than the SEC. hmmm. Also in my previous post Rittenberg wrote about JUCOs not counting toward the class limit of that class, you said that is wrong, I'm just confused to who has it right. Probably you since I've seen what Rittenberg writes sometimes.

 

[Churlish79]

So B1G is no better than the SEC. hmmm. Also in my previous post Rittenberg wrote about JUCOs not counting toward the class limit of that class, you said that is wrong, I'm just confused to who has it right. Probably you since I've seen what Rittenberg writes sometimes.

If a Juco comes in for Spring Semester, they can count against the previous class.

If they don't come in till Summer or Fall Semester, they count against the class

 

[1hawkeye1]

The problem with these "rankings" is that they only take into account the recruits stars.
If a program fills it needs then it is successful. Regardless of stars.
That, and the fact that most all of these guys will not pan out.

 

[hawkfarmer]

If a Juco comes in for Spring Semester, they can count against the previous class.

If they don't come in till Summer or Fall Semester, they count against the class

This is waht I thought but Columbus told me that was wrong the other day. and that there was no single class limit and could sign 50 if they needed it to get to 88 (85 + 3)

 

[Clark]

This is waht I thought but Columbus told me that was wrong the other day. and that there was no single class limit and could sign 50 if they needed it to get to 88 (85 + 3)

Columbus is right. The 25 man limit does not apply to Big 10 schools. The Big 10 goes by the total scholarship limit of 85.

And as to your previous post, the difference between the Big 10 and SEC is that if you oversign, you'd better have a damn good reason.

 

[herbyhawk]

the BT goes by the 25 limit, with a over the limit of 2-3 no more, and now that schools in the BT is going to a 4 year scholarship rather than a 1 year renewable, the chance of cutting players are going to go down.
please get over the limit of 85 is the # that has to be brought up to par each year is not correct, a team can only have a max of 85 at the beginning of fall semester, each school in most conferences are allowed to sign up to 25 each Feb to get back to the 85 limits;
the BT allows the schools to sign 2-3 over the limit which allow for kid not making due to last minute unexpected inability to arrive on campus.
the SEC does not have this which is why they oversign then have a prostyle system where the kids come in for the summer then the staff cut whoever can't cut it, not to mention they take in more kids that are a academic risk

 

[hoffahawk]

and now that schools in the BT is going to a 4 year scholarship rather than a 1 year renewable, the chance of cutting players are going to go down.

Not according to what Kirk said in his presser yesterday.

 

[herbyhawk]

this is where it gets dicey, unless all conferences go to this and put a stipulation on that a school has to document the reason for pulling a scholarship in year 2 or 3 of the 4 year deal, it won'yt mean much the interesting thing i read is that the NCAA wants to cut the total number of schiolarships from 85 to 80, that makes 595 kids per year not getting a chance at a scholly,
to the elite schools getting a education as no meaning, but at place like Vandy and NW or Cal and even Stanford it hurts the kids that want a education that can't afford it

 

[Billso]

Also, if there's one thing I've learned from following recruiting for the last ten years, it's that team recruiting rankings are pretty much worthless.

Wrong.

http://www.hawkeyenation.com/forum/football/41981-miller-recruiting-rankings-vs-big-ten-wins.html

I just laugh anymore when people say this. We might call it "the Bob Sanders Fallacy" or the "Exception Proves the Rule Fallacy". The recruiting rankings are no less (and no more) predictive than NFL draft order. There are always going to be busts, and there are always going to be UFA's who make the Pro Bowl. Projecting players has always been hard, at every level.

 

[KnightHawk9]

Not trying to stir the pot, but I would like to see the Iowa coaches spend some time over the next 12 months "recruiting" our current players to stay on campus. Our system of coaching kids up relies on keeping them in the program for 4 or 5 years. We really need these last two classes to stick around to win more games in the future.

 

[MoseSchrute]

this is where it gets dicey, unless all conferences go to this and put a stipulation on that a school has to document the reason for pulling a scholarship in year 2 or 3 of the 4 year deal, it won'yt mean much the interesting thing i read is that the NCAA wants to cut the total number of schiolarships from 85 to 80, that makes 595 kids per year not getting a chance at a scholly,
to the elite schools getting a education as no meaning, but at place like Vandy and NW or Cal and even Stanford it hurts the kids that want a education that can't afford it

Some say the 80 limit would be a further equalizer on the field, but it would definitely hurt a lot of kids.