Big East to try and force ND into a conference

It would be nice if this happened. I'm not sure I like a 16 team conference, especially for football. 14 could maybe work, but 12 seems the optimal amount. If Big East would do this and force ND towards the B10, it would make B10 expansion go much smoother, faster, and be less complicated...but realistically it probably won't happen that way.
 
What if ND comes knockin' and we don't let them in? If Deace is right (and he probably is, because he saw it on Twitter), it's Nebbie, Mizzou, Pitt, Rutgers and Syracuse.

Tough luck, Irish.
 
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That would be sweet. I'd love to see a couple of conferences say enough is enough ND - join or get lost.
 
At some point ND has to wake up and face the reality of the next 5-10 years and beyond. Right now they are at best a second tier power and that's only because they have so much money. It would be mind boggling to think they can spend and hire their way back to some plateau of what they once had. The sports landscape has changed so immensely that it won't happen.

I seriously think ND has to be sittiing around a table in a desparate search for reasons NOT to join the Big 10. I expect at this point all they are attempting to do is cushion their place in the conference and try to get what they want....ie money, conference placement, number of teams conference expands to etc...

It can't possibly think that they stay independant their world will be better in next 10 years. It can't possibly think they'd be better off in the Big East either. So what is left? The Big 12? The SEC? I DON'T THINK SO. C'mon ND. Just give it up already so we can finalize the this thing and move along. :eek:
 
Thomzahawke said:
At some point ND has to wake up and face the reality of the next 5-10 years and beyond. Right now they are at best a second tier power and that's only because they have so much money. It would be mind boggling to think they can spend and hire their way back to some plateau of what they once had. The sports landscape has changed so immensely that it won't happen.
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They are a first tier power precisely because they have so much money. In this discussion, quality of play is very far behind money.
 
GhostofBTT said:
They are a first tier power precisely because they have so much money. In this discussion, quality of play is very far behind money.
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Ghost....you know the deal. THose who HAVE power want to keep it. Joining the B10 insures they will. Staying independant does not.
 
I'd never understood that ND was taking a Big East bowl slot. That sucks! If I were a Big East school, I'd want them in or out too.
 
BA96MA99 said:
What if ND comes knockin' and we don't let them in? If Deace is right (and he probably is, because he saw it on Twitter), it's Nebbie, Mizzou, Pitt, Rutgers and Syracuse.

Tough luck, Irish.
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IMO, if ND wants in, they're in. I would then drop either Rutgers or Syracuse.
 
ND should go to the Big East, they could compete there. They would be a second tier team in the Big 10.
 
bwsmoney said:
Syracuse (yuck), Rutgers (eh), Pitt (yuck), Mizz (eh), Nebby (ok), ND (perfect fit)
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Or in terms of research expenditures, reputation in research, and resource sharing opportunities ....

Syracuse (fit), Rutgers (perfect fit), Pitt (fit), Mizz (eh), Nebby (eh), ND (kinda fit)

Also, if you think about what Syracuse, Pitt, and Mizzou could add to the basketball prowess of the Big 10 ... that could be a legit positive too.
 
homerHAWKeye777 said:
Or in terms of research expenditures, reputation in research, and resource sharing opportunities ....

Syracuse (fit), Rutgers (perfect fit), Pitt (fit), Mizz (eh), Nebby (eh), ND (kinda fit)

Also, if you think about what Syracuse, Pitt, and Mizzou could add to the basketball prowess of the Big 10 ... that could be a legit positive too.
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As far as on the field contributions (which is all I care about), Nebraska is a perfect fit (football, women's basketball, baseball are all excellent programs), Notre Dame is a no-brainer, Pitt is the most balanced in terms of football and basketball, Syracuse adds to the basketball (quite substantially) and also has a fairly rich (though dormant) football history. Mizzou is just a solid all-round choice. Rutgers has little to offer athletically beyond C. Vivian Stringer and the women's basketball program. I wouldn't mind seeing her in the Big Ten again, though.
 
tm3308 said:
As far as on the field contributions (which is all I care about), Nebraska is a perfect fit (football, women's basketball, baseball are all excellent programs), Notre Dame is a no-brainer, Pitt is the most balanced in terms of football and basketball, Syracuse adds to the basketball (quite substantially) and also has a fairly rich (though dormant) football history. Mizzou is just a solid all-round choice. Rutgers has little to offer athletically beyond C. Vivian Stringer and the women's basketball program. I wouldn't mind seeing her in the Big Ten again, though.
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tm3308 -

It's all about money. Higher education in America is approaching a seismic shift. A partnership, like the Big 10 has, is A LOT more than sports. It's about BIG MONEY ... and that's money that benefits more than just the athletic departments. The formation of such an alliance would do little more than postpone the inevitable (in the bigger picture) ... however, it would certainly go a long ways towards improving the revenue stream for athletics.
 
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