Big 12's Next Move - Ace in the Hole

SpecialKHawk said:
Agree with your sentiment to a degree but what if you tell your alumni...

How would you like to play in the conference title game in the biggest football stadium in this country 3 of every 4 years against the king of college football, Texas or another marquee program Oklahoma. If we win this game our chances of going to the national title game are extremely favorable and if not we are going to one heck of a bowl game regardless.

Now do you mind going down and hammering KSU, Baylor and Texas Tech in the meantime ?
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I really don't think you understand Notre Dame or their alumni. They already get home and homes with USC, Michigan, and anyone else they decide to call (except Iowa, thanks to the fainting Irish). You think they give two rips about playing in Jerry's house? It will be a cold, cold day in hell before you see Notre Dame lining it up in Lubbock, Manhattan, Ames, or Stillwater.
 
spudhawk said:
I am sorry but this is a reach, a creative one, but no way could they sell this to their alumni. Only three conferences are a "cultural" fit for ND- The Big East, The Big Ten, and the ACC. You really think that after all of the screaming their alumni have done about even considering a conference that they would slum with the likes of K-state and Texas Tech?
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What type of "cultural" fit are you talking about? it looks good in your post but huge private Catholic school doesn't exactly "culturally fit" into any conference.
 
Only time will tell but this is by far the best strategy for the Big 12;

Court ND and bring in Arkansas...

Don't underestimate the power of money and control. I would bet Notre Dame is also getting sick and tired of being left out of the BCS despite the rules set up for them.

I'm not saying they will do it but this will be more than a simple consideration if the Big 12 comes calling.
 
Only reason the Big 12 would be a "perfect" fit for ND like you say is because they, along with most other teams in the B12, don't play much defense. Remains to be seen whether Kelly can change that. They get the big bad 5 star recruits on both sides of the ball, but for the most part in the last decade the only ones who have done much have been on the offensive side of the ball.
 
I would be surprised if either ND or ARK. would consider the Big 12, as they would be losing money. They each make more now.
 
SpecialKHawk said:
Only time will tell but this is by far the best strategy for the Big 12;

Court ND and bring in Arkansas...

Don't underestimate the power of money and control. I would bet Notre Dame is also getting sick and tired of being left out of the BCS despite the rules set up for them.

I'm not saying they will do it but this will be more than a simple consideration if the Big 12 comes calling.
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ND gets left out of teh BCS, becasue they do not win enough games, to qualify.
 
Not trying to be a smart about this but are you sure of this ?

The SEC is paying an avg of 17 Mil per team which is what I think they(ARK) would garner in the Big 12 also.

KEEP in mind ISU is set to receive 15 Million.....

Here's some quotes from 2009 NY Times....
NBC is paying about $15 million a year in the current deal, enough to help fund most of the reported $18 million Notre Dame must pay to buy out Weis’s contract. Jack Swarbrick, the Notre Dame athletic director, need only endorse NBC’s check over to Weis and add $3 million from the university’s exchequer.

The Big Ten reportedly handed out $22 million per member last year.

News reports have said Notre Dame receives $15 million annually from NBC to broadcast its home games each year.
 
Notre Dame will join the Big XII. Yes, friends, this is a perfect fit.

The BigTen wants an AAU school, which Nd is not.

ND wants special privileges, which the Big Ten will not give them.

ND will be better able to recruit in Texas.



Another historical reference: this will be the Nazi-Soviet Pact. Watch out, because Poland is about to be divided...
 
ND will not go to the Big XII

they are nobody's puppet....and UT will make sure they don't have an equal say in anything.

they are waaaaay to classy for the Big XII anyway
 
clicheusername3 said:
What type of "cultural" fit are you talking about? it looks good in your post but huge private Catholic school doesn't exactly "culturally fit" into any conference.
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Its not a "huge" school. It is closer to Northwestern than anything else in the Big Ten. Athletics and Academicwise it "fits" more to a Big Ten model than anything else (less research and no AAU I know). If the Big Twelve stays together I think its moot anyway, they can stay independent.
 
Following your flawed logic, Notre Dame should join the Pac 10 because their major rival is USC.

There is no chance that they will join the Big 12. None. Zip. Zero. Not gonna happen.

And why would they get in bed with the mercenaries from Texas, who have already demonstrated that they are loyal to no one? Notre Dame does not operate that way.
 
SpecialKHawk said:
If I'm right here's the next move for the Big 12. They have an 'ace' in the hole that in my mind answers the question of how they could get the dollars in total that they did for just 'Texas' and yet give 'Texas' it's own network rights if they so choose.

Follow this.... they need 2 teams to get back to 12 and re-establish a title game. They also need another team in the Northern foot print to offset the loss of Nebraska. A certain team remains out there but needs some autonomy especially in network rights that the Big 12 now provides. This team just canceled a series against Army. Texas is not going to allow another Texas based team to join and BYU, Air Force, etc. do not fit the bill by any means. BYU cannot play on Sundays no less. Any ideas ?

Yes the next move is to invite Notre Dame. This would be a perfect fit for both the Big 12 and Notre Dame. Notre Dame could certainly compete and win the North and they would be able to retain their own network rights. The Big Ten has been rumored to cut out ND from Big Ten scheduling if they do not join the conference. This would allow ND to play a manageable schedule and pick up key match ups against Texas and OKlahoma on a rotational basis. They still could schedule another marquee game or two out of conference.

Then the twelve(or 11th-whatever order) team is Arkansas from the SEC. They would happily move to the Big 12 given the new contract dollars and the SEC would not be disappointed to see them go. This would allow the SEC to grab another coveted team in their foot print.

Notre Dame would give them the strategic team they desperately need to replace Nebraska and Arkansas would be more than a serviceable replacement for Colorado. Notre Dame's risk is minimal if the Big 12 falls apart down the road which I think it will when Texas is ready to cut the cord on the underlings after they get their own network in play and it is profitable.

The Big 12 would come out a stronger conference than before.

Look for this move and I think ND will be receptive to this.
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That post was "special" alright.
 
clicheusername3 said:
What type of "cultural" fit are you talking about? it looks good in your post but huge private Catholic school doesn't exactly "culturally fit" into any conference.
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Notre Dame is actually very similar in size as Creighton. Their total enrollment is under 3000 students larger. And when you're talking about 8-10,000 students, I wouldn't call either Huge.
 
Notre Dame is the only institution that can save the Big 12 long term IMO. The Big 12 is going to get marginalized if they cannot replace Nebraska. Texas and Oklahoma cannot go it alone. I think they can replace Colorado with Arkansas and maybe Louisville or Cincy but who replaces the prestige, history and following of Nebraska?

Notre Dame can get something out of this relationship and would not have to give up total autonomy. They also could elect to continue a rivalry with USC as a non-con game. Nothing lost there.

I hope they do not.... still want to see them in the Big Ten if anywhere but this makes sense in several ways.
 
SpecialKHawk said:
Notre Dame is the only institution that can save the Big 12 long term IMO. The Big 12 is going to get marginalized if they cannot replace Nebraska. Texas and Oklahoma cannot go it alone. I think they can replace Colorado with Arkansas and maybe Louisville or Cincy but who replaces the prestige, history and following of Nebraska?

Notre Dame can get something out of this relationship and would not have to give up total autonomy. They also could elect to continue a rivalry with USC as a non-con game. Nothing lost there.

I hope they do not.... still want to see them in the Big Ten if anywhere but this makes sense in several ways.
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It makes NO sense in ANY way. None. Zero. Notre Dame will NEVER, EVER join the BigXII. NEVER. I know how ND works. I almost went there. My brother did go there. They have more money than God. I know how they operate. They are above the BigXII.

THEY WILL NEVER JOIN THE BIGXII.

Ever.
 
ND joining a conference is connected to two things- BCS and Money. At it's simplest point, all expansion is about money. IF... ND was forced into a conference, Special K is right on that the new Big12 lite is now a very realistic option.

IF the Big 12 Lite is pulling the kind of revenue dollars they are claiming, ND would have MORE control in a Big 12 Lite than they would in the Big Ten- unbalanced revenue, their own TV options, the competition of a mid major to reach the Big 12 championship, and we've already witnessed the culture of the rest of the Big 12 lesser grossing schools willing to follow the "top dog(s)" at all cost and make concessions to survive.

WITH THAT SAID... I think it is still a reach that Notre Dame joins ANY conference, and if you forced me to predict where they end up if they did have to choose, I still say Big Ten- but this is probably a more logical scenario than many would initially consider.
 
SpecialKHawk said:
Money and power can make strange bed-fellows.

If the Big Ten cuts the cord with ND watch out because this could happen. How much would ESPN or FOX love to have a Texas or Oklahoma vs. Notre Dame Big 12 title game? That would be must see TV.

I'm not saying this is a 100% lock but this makes major sense.
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ND couldn't make the B12 title game even playing in the B12North minus Neb!
 
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