Baylor QB fractured neck bone today.

I'm predicting that leading with the helmet to any part of the body will be penalized accidental or otherwise with a rule. The helmet is a weapon. Unless someone can make a 'soft-shelled' helmet that protects the head sufficiently.

When the Baylor QB was tackled by the ISU back, both led with their helmets to each other's heads yet neither was penalized. The Baylor QB has a fracture in his neck and Baylor is highly ranked.

Besides the BU/ISU incident, there have been too many incidents of negative football publicity from injuries, deaths, pending litigation, etc. for this not to be ruled against.

There are so many advocates for 'punishment' of football as it is. IMO, where Tom Brady and the deflategate 'prosecution' grew it legs. Punishment of football.
 
Sorry to hear about that injury. These guys put so much into training and prep.

However, I'm not sad to see Baylor and Briles endure a bit of adversity.
 
Watched the hit on ESPN. It was a cheap shot, IMO. ISU's helmet hit the neck/head area. Saw an immediate reaction from the Baylor QB. Surprised the ISU player wasn't ejected for targeting. Probably reconfigure the targeting rule to include this situation. Especially since Baylor is ranked and lawsuits over concussions and other general physical damage are looming for football.

What play did you see?

The Baylor QB lowered his head and shoulder on contact. Most QBs, especially up 35-7, do the slide thing.

He shouldn't have been on the field at that point in the game, just as CJB should have been off the field most of the 4th quarter against NW.
 
damn ... are breaks in this part of the body something that ends careers for good?

X-rays and a CT scan revealed a fracture in one of the bones of his neck, the school announced. He will see a specialist next week.
 
Watched the hit on ESPN. It was a cheap shot, IMO. ISU's helmet hit the neck/head area. Saw an immediate reaction from the Baylor QB. Surprised the ISU player wasn't ejected for targeting. Probably reconfigure the targeting rule to include this situation. Especially since Baylor is ranked and lawsuits over concussions and other general physical damage are looming for football.
No. I didn't think it was a cheap shot. My first thought and i watched the play live was the first rule for rusher is don't lower your hat. He was going against a miniDB and lowered his head to run over him. Didn't work. I dont remember thinking DB hit him with the crown of his helmet.
 
Watch the video again. Saw it on YouTube. The ISU back definitely led with his helmet. It seems the BU QB saw the impending collision, turned and ducked his head to the side but went right into the ISU player's helmet. Accident, maybe, but the ISU player led with his helmet.
 
Watch the video again. Saw it on YouTube. The ISU back definitely led with his helmet. It seems the BU QB saw the impending collision, turned and ducked his head to the side but went right into the ISU player's helmet. Accident, maybe, but the ISU player led with his helmet.

If you're a starting QB and you're up by 28 points in the second half, you don't lower your head, you slide well before any collision is even remotely about to take place.
 
Watch the video again. Saw it on YouTube. The ISU back definitely led with his helmet. It seems the BU QB saw the impending collision, turned and ducked his head to the side but went right into the ISU player's helmet. Accident, maybe, but the ISU player led with his helmet.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the tackle. Watch the game tonight. Almost all the tackles will be made by players leading with their head. It's football. You have no comprehension of the targeting rule.
 
Watch the video again. Saw it on YouTube. The ISU back definitely led with his helmet. It seems the BU QB saw the impending collision, turned and ducked his head to the side but went right into the ISU player's helmet. Accident, maybe, but the ISU player led with his helmet.
two posts saying you watched the play and two different conclusions.

Must not be as cut-and-dried as thought.

Russell lowered his hat thinking he could run over mini-me DB. He didn't. He also didn't turn and duck his head because he was afraid of mini-DB who also lowered his hat, too. He was fortunate not to end up in a hospital bed by Russell.
 
If you're a starting QB and you're up by 28 points in the second half, you don't lower your head, you slide well before any collision is even remotely about to take place.
It was a designed play. No way was he going to slide.
 
There is absolutely nothing wrong with the tackle. Watch the game tonight. Almost all the tackles will be made by players leading with their head. It's football. You have no comprehension of the targeting rule.

Nor do you: http://www.afca.com/article/article.php?id=2342

If you lead with the crown of the helmet in ANY situation, targetting can be called. Not saying I agree with that rule, but it is the rule. The rationale makes a certain amount of sense: if you simply outlaw leading with the crown, you remove the need for officials to make subjective calls on intent, and encourage defenders to avoid it entirely.
 
Nor do you: http://www.afca.com/article/article.php?id=2342

If you lead with the crown of the helmet in ANY situation, targetting can be called. Not saying I agree with that rule, but it is the rule. The rationale makes a certain amount of sense: if you simply outlaw leading with the crown, you remove the need for officials to make subjective calls on intent, and encourage defenders to avoid it entirely.

Target—to take aim at an opponent for purposes of attacking with an apparent intent that goes beyond making a legal tackle or a legal block or playing the ball.

Incidental helmet contact that is not part of targeting but is due to the players changing position during the course of play.
 
Target—to take aim at an opponent for purposes of attacking with an apparent intent that goes beyond making a legal tackle or a legal block or playing the ball.

Incidental helmet contact that is not part of targeting but is due to the players changing position during the course of play.

I saw that Columbus, but it doesn't seem to be part of the rule text. It's also from 2013 so I looked up the 2015 rulebook - see http://www.ncaapublications.com/p-4387-2015-ncaa-football-rules-and-interpretations.aspx Full text is below, and note last bullet of Note 1, which is consistent with ESPN's on-air rule summary stating "leading with crown of helmet in any situation":

Targeting and Making Forcible Contact With the Crown of the Helmet
ARTICLE 3. No player shall target and make forcible contact against an
opponent with the crown (top) of his helmet. When in question, it is a foul.
(Rule 9-6) (A.R. 9-1-3-I)

Targeting and Making Forcible Contact to Head or Neck Area of a Defenseless Player
ARTICLE 4. No player shall target and make forcible contact to the head or
neck area of a defenseless opponent with the helmet, forearm, hand, fist, elbow
or shoulder. When in question, it is a foul (Rules 2-27-14 and 9-6). (A.R. 9-1-
4-I-VI)

PENALTY [ARTICLE 3 and ARTICLE 4]—15 yards. For dead-ball
fouls, 15 yards from the succeeding spot. Automatic first down for fouls
by Team B if not in conflict with other rules. For fouls in the first half:
Disqualification for the remainder of the game. (Rule 2-27-12) For fouls in
the second half: Disqualification for the remainder of the game and the first
half of the next game. If the foul occurs in the second half of the last game
of the season, players with remaining eligibility shall serve the suspension
during the first game of the following season. The disqualification is
subject to review by Instant Replay (Rule 12-3-5-f). [S38, S24 and S47]
When the Instant Replay Official reverses the disqualification:
If the targeting foul is not in conjunction with another personal foul by the
same player, the 15-yard penalty for targeting is not enforced. If the player
commits another personal foul in conjunction with the targeting foul, the
15-yard penalty for that personal foul is enforced according to rule. (A. R.
9-1-4-VII-VIII)

For games in which Instant Replay is not used:
If a player is disqualified in the first half, at the option of the conference
or by pre-game mutual agreement of the teams in inter-conference games,
during the intermission between halves the Referee will be provided a video
of the play in question for his review in the officials’ private secure location.
The Referee will review the video to determine whether the disqualification
is reversed. The decision of the Referee is final. (A. R. 9-1-4-IX)
Note: The video source and the location of the review will be determined
prior to the game through mutual agreement of the teams and the Referee.
If a player is disqualified in the second half, the conference has the option
to consult the national coordinator of football officials who would then
facilitate a video review. Based on the review, if the national coordinator
concludes that the player should not have been disqualified, the conference
may vacate the suspension. If the national coordinator supports the
disqualification, the suspension for the next game will remain.

Notes to Articles 9-1-3 and 9-1-4

Note 1: “Targeting” means that a player takes aim at an opponent for purposes of attacking with forcible contact that goes beyond making a legal tackle or a legal block or playing the ball. Some indicators of targeting include but are not limited to:
• Launch—a player leaving his feet to attack an opponent by an upward and forward thrust of the body to make contact in the head or neck area
• A crouch followed by an upward and forward thrust to attack with contact at the head or neck area, even though one or both feet are still on the ground
• Leading with helmet, forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack with contact at the head or neck area
• Lowering the head before attacking by initiating contact with the crown of the helmet

Note 2: Defenseless player (Rule 2-27-14):
• A player in the act of or just after throwing a pass.
• A receiver attempting to catch a forward pass or in position to receive a backward pass, or one who has completed a catch and has not had time to protect himself or has not clearly become a ball carrier.
• A kicker in the act of or just after kicking a ball, or during the kick or the return.
• A kick returner attempting to catch or recover a kick, or one who has completed a catch or recovery and has not had time to protect himself or has not clearly become a ball carrier.
• A player on the ground.
• A player obviously out of the play.
• A player who receives a blind-side block.
• A ball carrier already in the grasp of an opponent and whose forward progress has been stopped.
• A quarterback any time after a change of possession.
 
Targeting and Initiating Contact With the Crown of the Helmet (Rule 9-1-3)
No player shall target and initiate contact against an opponent with the crown (top) of his helmet. When in question, it is a foul.


KEY INDICATORS


Risk of a foul is high with one or more of these:


Launch—a player leaving his feet to attack an opponent by an upward and forward thrust of the body to make contact in the head or neck area

A crouch followed by an upward and forward thrust to attack with contact at the head or neck area—even though one or both feet are still on the ground


Leading with helmet, forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack with contact at the head or neck area


Lowering the head before attacking by initiating contact with the crown of the helmet
Russell did this. None of the others apply to Willies



These indicate less risk of a foul:


Heads-up tackle in which the crown of the helmet does not strike above the shoulders
This applies to Willies. He didn't go above Russell's shoulders.


Wrap-up tackle


Head is to the side rather than being used to initiate contact


Incidental helmet contact that is not part of targeting but is due to the players changing position during the course of play.
This most likely is how the refs saw Willies hit. That's how I saw it, too. He wasn't charging toward Russell. He had squatted; his face was up but lowered his helmet to get under Russell right before contact. He got under Russell's shoulders who had lowered his head below his shoulders.

It was a nasty hit and I thought immediately he would have a concussion. No way was Willies targeting Russell's head. Both could have been flagged for this foul (ejection) since both made contact with the crown of the helmet, but Russell was definitely at greater fault.

I'm glad the young man isn't seriously injured.




HINTS FOR PLAYERS


Don’t lead with your head







 
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Which is the point I'm trying to make. This targeting rule was put into place as an attempt to avoid injuries, serious injuries. An injury came out of the play. Not sure how serious it is. Some on this board are saying, oh no, there's a technicality. "The BU QB was ducking down when he was contacted by Willies". That nullifies the rule that attempts to protect the BU QB and ISU back?

For whatever reason, Willies led with the crown of his helmet. Maybe a player will think twice before trying to contact a ball carrier ducking down with the crown first if one was previously thrown out.
 
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two posts saying you watched the play and two different conclusions.

Must not be as cut-and-dried as thought.

Russell lowered his hat thinking he could run over mini-me DB. He didn't. He also didn't turn and duck his head because he was afraid of mini-DB who also lowered his hat, too. He was fortunate not to end up in a hospital bed by Russell.
Pretty sure my posts are consistent. Evidently they aren't to Thompson.

BU QB's perspective: The BU QB saw the ISU DB was attempting to tackle him. The BU QB (2)turned his head to the side and (1)ducked his head in an attempt to avoid the brunt of the collision. Unfortunately, the ducking BU QB turned the side of his helmet contacting BU's side of helmet with the crown of ISU's helmet. The BU QB, in essence, went right into the crown of the ISU's helmet.

ISU DB's perspective: The ISU DB saw the BU QB ducking (but not turning BU's head) in an attempt to avoid ISU's tackle.
THE ISU DB LED WITH THE CROWN OF HIS HELMET (the cheap shot) as he contacted the BU QB in an attempt to tackle him.

At least we know which part of the helmet, side or crown, protects the best...
 
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