hawkdrummer1
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"leverage" is one term for it
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"leverage" is one term for it
Probably not but I just want to talk sports. Even if its fantasy land sports.
College football could be at a tipping point. It won't survive as is. Players are clearly tired of being the product people are paying to see yet not getting paid. Add in the fact that most of the unpaid people are young black men and many of the people getting paid a ton are old white men and you have a recipe for disaster.
And keep an eye on Dwayne Johnson and the XFL. Former college football player who isn't a fan of the NCAA. At some point somebody who is trying to do these start up football leagues is going to stop targeting NFL castoffs and start targeting college aged kids. It will take a ton of money and investors but clearly this country is football crazy. And all these angry players need is an alternative to college football and a shorter path to the NFL.
Fryowa
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I get what you’re saying and mostly agree with you, but the NCAA has made the bed they’re lying in. They want to be the biggest sports organization and cash cow on the planet, but they don’t want any of the headaches and accountability that come with it. And they bear zero risk compared to the “amateurs” who do 100% of the work.
Mo' money, mo' problems. It's always been that way in every facet of life, and it always will. The NCAA wants to be the one exception to the rule but that's an impossibility (and they're paying the piper for it now).
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Fryowa
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I hear ya.
So let's pay them and let them take care of their own tuition and board. That's an idea.
Yeah it may have to come to that. That's why the NCAA may need to go bye-bye. They are still under this out of date thinking that student athletes in revenue sports are just like regular students.
The P5 may need to separate and start treating athletes as still students but also need to find a legal way to treat them as employees who are making money for the university. And employees need to be paid. But then there is a Title 9 issue. You start paying the women's rowing team the same as your football players and it gets to the point of why bother? Your sports program will start costing money.
okeefe4prez
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Even under that model, you have to carry over 100 female athletes to comply with Title IX. Women's rowing, volleyball and field hockey ain't going anywhere.
okeefe4prez
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This is hogwash. People cheer for the laundry. The IP and goodwill the colleges own is worth billions of dollars. The Rock ain't gonna do shit to change that. Say you take out all the 4 and 5 star guys and have them in some XFL league for 3 years before they vest for NFL eligibility and they play on Saturdays. Who the hell is gonna watch it? No one. That's who. Even if you put the league in the offseason of regular football, it will not draw the ticket revenues and media rights revenues anywhere near even a middling P5 program and without the cash, they ain't gonna be able to pay shit. A kid would have to be moronic to take that over a scholarship offer at a good P5, particularly once the greasy palms are fully valid in a couple of years and Gambino and Associates Car Wash can pay a kid $50k to do some radio ads.
kicker22
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While destroying every non-revenue sport in the country and opening up pandoras box in terms of Title XIX lawsuits.
Fryowa
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If there's ever a major shakeup in college sports it's going to take one form and one form only.
It'll be the P5 breaking away from the NCAA. No start-ups, no XFLs, no independent leagues.
The P5 leaving the NCAA would be a good thing for college football. You would have 5 commissioners who actually matter to the highest tier of college football, and with an odd number you'd have no stalemates. No influence from the Upper Southwest Poughkeepsie State Mud Hen-type schools in D-5 ball, all the TV pull would be there, all the advertising money would follow, and there'd be more than enough money to spread around. Everything is set up already. All the best employees at those particular jobs (top to bottom) are already there, you don't have some private financier like Vince McMahon, John DuPont, or Jerry Jones calling any ill-advised shots, and no Mark Emmerts trying to keep athletes pinned under his thumb for more money and less rights.
There's zero chance any private or independent league even makes so much as a sniff of the NCAA or NFL's underwear. P5 going rogue definitely could (and arguably should), happen, though.
All fair points to a logical adult. But we're not talking about logical adults. We're talking about emotional 18-22 year olds who feel they're being taken advantage of. I did see that one Pac 12 player acknowledged that and basically said he's just going to deal with it.
It would also been moronic for a college basketball player to skip out on a scholarship to scratch & claw in the G League and some overseas league. Yet over 100 do it every single year. They don't care about scholarships or going to some blue blood basketball program. They want to get paid and they have alternatives.
Many elite baseball prospects play in the minors for anywhere from $6,000-15,000 instead of going to college. I believe many D1 programs split up their allotted scholarships so more players can get partial scholarships instead of just having a few get full rides.
What football players lack is an alternative. Its proven that if one is provided, even a low paying alternative, some 18-22 year olds will take it over a scholarship.
This is the only chance for college football to remain as we currently know it.
Fryowa
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Still a tiny percentage of the existing athletic department. All you’d have to do is give each women’s team a glorified 11 passenger van like they already do now, a 6x8 enclosed trailer for their gear, and a set of plane tickets a couple times a year to a tourney to make it look good. You could even throw in a vinyl wrap on one of the canoes and a Herky costume or two for a manager to wear. Tracy Greasebomb cost Iowa ten seasons worth of field hockey budgets with one lawsuit. A few hockey sticks and some gas money ain’t no thing.
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Northside Hawk
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You’re probably correct about what you’ve been saying, but you also said for weeks that there was no way Luka Garza was coming back.
Fryowa
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Well technically he won't be because there isn't going to be a collegiate basketball season.You’re probably correct about what you’ve been saying, but you also said for weeks that there was no way Luka Garza was coming back.
Winter in the north is when this thing is going to get roaring again. Until there's a vaccine they can try all they want to start and restart these sports leagues but it's not going to happen. The American public is not unified enough to wipe it out with PPE.
