B1G Delaying Full Contact

hawkdrummer1 said:
I've been in medical device or pharma for 25+ years. So I know a few people in health care, some in rather high positions. Most are very level-headed and reasonable, there are a couple who's politics seem to affect their objectivity. Over the last 4 months I've had conversations with RNs, Family practice Drs, internists, ER staff, a cardiologist and an epidemiologist (maybe the smartest one of the bunch) as well as a couple of administrative types. They span a wide range of political flavors.

To say it's been interesting and eye-opening would be an understatement.
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One of the truest statements I’ve heard is that if some little independent pharmacy or stand-alone doctor was doing the kind of accounting and government billing the hospitals are doing with COVID, the FBI would be all over them and federal charges would be flowing like beer at a Hawkeye tailgate. That’s all I have to say about that.
 
trj said:
It was a house of cards. Obviously, no one could have predicted the pandemic of 2020, but the business model we have known for years was ready to implode in the near future anyway.
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NCAA, college football and bball, universities and their athletic depts have been in a nuclear weapons type arms race with increasing dollars in salaries and other costs for years.
 
Now reports of Iowa schoolteachers writing their own obituaries and in some cases sending them to Governor Reynolds' office. All because they may be forced to do their jobs in a live setting at least 50% of the time.

Good grief! If they don't want to do their jobs properly then find someone who will. If teachers and students are wearing masks and the school nurse is checking temps at the door they should be fine.

These teachers have people their age who are truly terminally ill and fighting for their lives who would give anything not to be a premature obituary. I wonder how THEY feel when they read stories like this.

Others, like health care workers, put themselves on the line more than a teacher ever would. These teachers, who are by no means a representation of the entire profession, are teaching nothing more than to be afraid of everything.

Get ready for every Covid case in any school in this country to be news.
 
HuckFinn said:
And, the earth is flat, JFK is still alive, Obama is a Muslim and not American born, global warming is a hoax. There you go.
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So easy for you in retirement to make grandiose statements like this.

Many of us still need our jobs, and to keep working. We don't want to be sent home for days or weeks be cause of bogus positive tests.

You have specifically called me out for wearing the tinfoil. Well look at what's happening in the news. There is no direct proof I'm aware of concerning hospitals being paid, of being paid by the Chinese, or of Dr Fauci being in on the take. But there are widespread reports of deaths being chalked up to Covid when they were clearly caused by another factor. And of positive cases being double counted and people who don't agree to requested testing being counted as positive cases.

My only question is why. What's in it for the medical profession? Of all people one would think they would want as few cases and deaths as possible.
 
Northside Hawk said:
Now reports of Iowa schoolteachers writing their own obituaries and in some cases sending them to Governor Reynolds' office. All because they may be forced to do their jobs in a live setting at least 50% of the time.

Good grief! If they don't want to do their jobs properly then find someone who will. If teachers and students are wearing masks and the school nurse is checking temps at the door they should be fine.

These teachers have people their age who are truly terminally ill and fighting for their lives who would give anything not to be a premature obituary. I wonder how THEY feel when they read stories like this.

Others, like health care workers, put themselves on the line more than a teacher ever would. These teachers, who are by no means a representation of the entire profession, are teaching nothing more than to be afraid of everything.

Get ready for every Covid case in any school in this country to be news.
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Schools are incubators for disease in a good year. Kids are like flies in the fact they'll carry all sorts of illness. Schools have already become the front lines of Covid.
 
SmokeTownHawk said:
Schools are incubators for disease in a good year. Kids are like flies in the fact they'll carry all sorts of illness. Schools have already become the front lines of Covid.
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Yet all of us survived them. Survived chicken pox, mumps, diphtheria, whooping cough, and at one time polio.

Teachers writing up their own obits are nothing more than gross overreaction-and an insult to those who are in the prime of their lives and terminally ill. And an insult to healthcare workers and others who truly risk their health.

Those who want to attend live classes, where learning is most productive, should have the option to do so.
 
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Northside Hawk said:
So easy for you in retirement to make grandiose statements like this.

Many of us still need our jobs, and to keep working. We don't want to be sent home for days or weeks be cause of bogus positive tests.

You have specifically called me out for wearing the tinfoil. Well look at what's happening in the news. There is no direct proof I'm aware of concerning hospitals being paid, of being paid by the Chinese, or of Dr Fauci being in on the take. But there are widespread reports of deaths being chalked up to Covid when they were clearly caused by another factor. And of positive cases being double counted and people who don't agree to requested testing being counted as positive cases.

My only question is why. What's in it for the medical profession? Of all people one would think they would want as few cases and deaths as possible.
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Don’t be silly. Retired, yeah. However, I have two kids teaching school, two in the law enforcement field, a grandson engineer, 4 grandkids in college, and a daughter in law who is an ex ray tech. I worked for 40 years, so I hardly need to apologize for my circumstances. But I stand with my family. People like you who nit pick data on Covid are encouraging others not to trust the severity of the pandemic. Get a conscience.
 
HuckFinn said:
Don’t be silly. Retired, yeah. However, I have two kids teaching school, two in the law enforcement field, a grandson engineer, 4 grandkids in college, and a daughter in law who is an ex ray tech. I worked for 40 years, so I hardly need to apologize for my circumstances. But I stand with my family. People like you who nit pick data on Covid are encouraging others not to trust the severity of the pandemic. Get a conscience.
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Some of us are not sheeple. It appears you are. Shame.
 
HuckFinn said:
Don’t be silly. Retired, yeah. However, I have two kids teaching school, two in the law enforcement field, a grandson engineer, 4 grandkids in college, and a daughter in law who is an ex ray tech. I worked for 40 years, so I hardly need to apologize for my circumstances. But I stand with my family. People like you who nit pick data on Covid are encouraging others not to trust the severity of the pandemic. Get a conscience.
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And people who constantly spread fear based on inaccurate information.....

I know how serious it is. But I know we can still live normal lives by being sensible about it. That will mean not attending sports, Iowa sports, or concerts for a while. We can go without those for a few months.

Again, what's in it for the medical profession to fudge the case counts and deaths?
 
Northside Hawk said:
And people who constantly spread fear based on inaccurate information.....

I know how serious it is. But I know we can still live normal lives by being sensible about it. That will mean not attending sports, Iowa sports, or concerts for a while. We can go without those for a few months.

Again, what's in it for the medical profession to fudge the case counts and deaths?
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Inaccurate information like the one that COVID was man-made in a lab with no evidence to support it? Or Inaccurate information like protesters causing the spread of COVID, while the evidence supports the opposite. What kind of inaccurate information are you referencing because I'm starting to lose track of all the trash conspiracies?
 
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