Are the technical fouls necessary?

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Gohawks123

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I'm all for giving the refs and ear full from time to time and even getting T'd up, but it loses its effect if you do it every other game. Fran is essentially spotting the other team two points every time he does it now. It's not bringing any energy to the kids or influencing the refs if you do it all the time.
 
I said in the "in-game chat" it was a bad move and got ripped for it. Getting mad at the refs isn't going to change the call. "Showing them up", will most likely do the opposite - get a call against your team, especially on the road.
 
For the record it's not happening every game. The other thing is the officiating is brutal and I have no problem with Fran calling them out for the weak crap I see.

Fran has nothing to lose this year and more IMO to gain down the road.
 
HawkPrdatr40 said:
For the record it's not happening every game. The other thing is the officiating is brutal and I have no problem with Fran calling them out for the weak crap I see.

Fran has nothing to lose this year and more IMO to gain down the road.
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Exactly why you SHOULD NOT show the refs up... because you will see them down the road.
 
I was actually watching when Fran got the T today.

Anyone that thinks that was strategic is giving Fran way too much credit.


That T today was out of pure frustration and being a ***** to the refs.

Nothing more or nothing less.


He is not setting up the ref's to get calls in the future or puff his chest out as the new guy.

He flat out got frustrated, lost his cool, and said something he probably shouldn't have.

I don't care one way or the other but let's not give coaches so much credit.
 
For all the clowns that think they know something lets just say this. Players play like a coach coaches. Did you Gatens and Cole diving on the floor when the game was over. Did you see Cole go to the Offensive Glass at the end. Did you notice Cole not get called for an obvious travel under the hoop and then get a foul called. I'm not saying he got the technical fouls on purpose, but Fran is a fighter and is fighting. The team is fighting and If it cost a technical a game then so be it.
 
HawkPhreek said:
For all the clowns that think they know something lets just say this. Players play like a coach coaches. Did you Gatens and Cole diving on the floor when the game was over. Did you see Cole go to the Offensive Glass at the end. Did you notice Cole not get called for an obvious travel under the hoop and then get a foul called. I'm not saying he got the technical fouls on purpose, but Fran is a fighter and is fighting. The team is fighting and If it cost a technical a game then so be it.
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True. But they also lose their cool, just like their coach. Seem to get frustrated, just like their coach. Seem to get flustered late in games, just like their coach.

But if you want to start every game 2-0, then lets just have the refs give Fran a T before the game and get it over with.
 
HawkPhreek said:
For all the clowns that think they know something lets just say this. Players play like a coach coaches. Did you Gatens and Cole diving on the floor when the game was over. Did you see Cole go to the Offensive Glass at the end. Did you notice Cole not get called for an obvious travel under the hoop and then get a foul called. I'm not saying he got the technical fouls on purpose, but Fran is a fighter and is fighting. The team is fighting and If it cost a technical a game then so be it.
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Just to play devils advocate Hoiberg couldn't be calmer on the sidelines and I see plenty of fire and hustle out of the cyclones.

You could say the same about UNI with Jacobsen, who is relatively mild mannered.
 
DaBears said:
True. But they also lose their cool, just like their coach. Seem to get frustrated, just like their coach. Seem to get flustered late in games, just like their coach.

But if you want to start every game 2-0, then lets just have the refs give Fran a T before the game and get it over with.
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How many player tech's does Iowa have this year. They lose their cool, Flagrant fouls ?. ..What frustation, and flustered. LOL this is funny


Do you think Fran is coaching hard ?

Do you think the players and playing hard ?

If yes shut up and buy ticket if no don't watch seems easy to me.
 
HawkPhreek said:
How many player tech's does Iowa have this year. They lose their cool, Flagrant fouls ?. ..What frustation, and flustered. LOL this is funny


Do you think Fran is coaching hard ?

Do you think the players and playing hard ?

If yes shut up and buy ticket if no don't watch seems easy to me.
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Pretty sure I didnt say anything about flagrant fouls. Unlike Jacobson and Hoiberg(who are extremely calm so their players stay calm), when Fran gets all worked up, so do the players. Which isnt always good. Lots of dumb fouls and horrible shots. --thats what i meant by frustration.

Oh. and next year I'll buy tickets to the game in Champagne so I dont have to "shut up"
 
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DaBears said:
True. But they also lose their cool, just like their coach. Seem to get frustrated, just like their coach. Seem to get flustered late in games, just like their coach.

But if you want to start every game 2-0, then lets just have the refs give Fran a T before the game and get it over with.
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Seriously, why do you even pretend to act like a Hawk fan? Either fly your true colors here, or stay on CF.
 
DaBears said:
Pretty sure I didnt say anything about flagrant fouls. Unlike Jacobson and Hoiberg(who are extremely calm so their players stay calm), when Fran gets all worked up, so do the players. Which isnt always good. Lots of dumb fouls and horrible shots. --thats what i meant by frustration.

Oh. and next year I'll buy tickets to the game in Champagne so I dont have to "shut up"
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Let me know when get that ticket maybe the team is just young. You have no clue on how the Tech's effect the team. Not saying didn't coaching styles dont' work. (Even though for my money you can keep Hoiberg) Fran had 6 tech's thru 20 games. BIG deal not to mention were any of them like game changers ? Fran knows what he is doing he like Jacobsen is also a proven winner.
 
Ill take Fran's coaching track record over any other coach in this state and any message board poster. The guy knows what he is doing.
 
DaBears said:
Unlike Jacobson and Hoiberg(who are extremely calm so their players stay calm), when Fran gets all worked up, so do the players. Which isnt always good. Lots of dumb fouls and horrible shots. --thats what i meant by frustration.
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Give some examples of Iowa players showing frustration after one of Fran's Ts. Also, has Iowa State's season not been defined by late collapses. Almost to the point that Cyclone fans are braggadocios about close losses, and what could have beens? That doesn't scream "calm" to me.
 
Gohawks123 said:
I'm all for giving the refs and ear full from time to time and even getting T'd up, but it loses its effect if you do it every other game. Fran is essentially spotting the other team two points every time he does it now. It's not bringing any energy to the kids or influencing the refs if you do it all the time.
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My problem with the T's is that none of the other coaches get T's for doing alot worse than Fran is doing....which in itself is a load of crap.
 
Hawkstrat said:
Give some examples of Iowa players showing frustration after one of Fran's Ts. Also, has Iowa State's season not been defined by late collapses. Almost to the point that Cyclone fans are braggadocios about close losses, and what could have beens? That doesn't scream "calm" to me.
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+1

DaBears doesn't know what he is talking about. The players aren't getting frustrated because Fran is, if they get frustrated it is because they aren't as good as the person guarding them so they can't execute they way they should which leads to frustration.

I know DaBears is trying to start some Fran bashing, but why does someone come on here after every T to start some bashing. I would get each T that Fran has this year and probably some more. There has not been one T that cost us a game and a couple that actually got the players a little fired up and made a run.
 
Rhoadhoused said:
Just to play devils advocate Hoiberg couldn't be calmer on the sidelines and I see plenty of fire and hustle out of the cyclones.

You could say the same about UNI with Jacobsen, who is relatively mild mannered.
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That's because Hoiberg doesn't actually coach. He just walks around the sidelines.
 
If Fran wants to be less frustrated and get fewer T's he will bring in a bunch of better players. Right now I think he feels he needs every tiny edge he can get. I watched a Sun Belt game yesterday and I was shocked to realize that I would trade half of Iowa's roster for guys on either team. That just should not be the case.
 
CAARHawk said:
If Fran wants to be less frustrated and get fewer T's he will bring in a bunch of better players. Right now I think he feels he needs every tiny edge he can get. I watched a Sun Belt game yesterday and I was shocked to realize that I would trade half of Iowa's roster for guys on either team. That just should not be the case.
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What a stupid post. Its the freakin Sun Belt!!! Not one of those players would be playing as a starter in the B-10. Fran has 7 T's this year. I wish he had one a game. He is showing his players that he knows how bad the officiating is and they continue to play hard. Fewer T's and we get better players? Have you ever watched the old tapes of Bob Knight, Jimmy V, Coach K, any great coach? Fran is the leader of this team and he has fire. What did Lick get, maybe a couple in three years? Are we playing for Oprah? I respect some of your comments but his one is purely way the hell off base.
 
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