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VintageHawkeye
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MEDIOCRE!!!
why do you accept a "meh" record, ChosChil?????
WE CAN DO BETTER.
why do you accept a "meh" record, ChosChil?????
WE CAN DO BETTER.
Are the KF apologists the most hostile posters?
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PatrickAdamovicz
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But since 2005 that is what? 15 and 21? That's what people see and for a guy being paid almost $4 million a year he is suppose to out coach the other coach in the majority of those games. That 21 and 21 goes back to what Hall of Famer Crisis Carter said about conservative play. Your going to lose half of your games playing that way in most cases.
ChosenChildren
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Really? We can do better?
We can do worse.
Ferentz will do better. He just brought in a good recruiting class.
I think you would have fired Fry in 1989, when he went 5-6. That seems to be your mindset?
Let me ask you a fair question; what happens if Ferentz goes 4-8 next year (it could happen). Would you fire him then?
If you actually read the linked article you will see the errors in your points: Kirk Ferentz and the Myth of the Percentages - Black Heart Gold Pants
2005-10
"In fact, Iowa was one of only two teams that was more than one game under .500 in one possession games over that period of time (the other being the aforementioned Clemson). If you take 2009 out of that total, Iowa is a putrid 8-17 (.320), one of the worst records in all of football."
His record is actually worse when you remove games when we were beating a team by more than one possession and allowed them to score towards the end of the game to get back within the margin. That record you point to includes UNI and Arkansas St. as well as others that we were heavily favored by and barely won.
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VintageHawkeye
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yep, if I had the authority, I'd kick his azz out. 4-8 is NOT acceptable with the resources that the University gives KF, and I'm not even talking about his $3.8 million salary 'cause the U doesn't provide that
Kinnick renovation...check
Brand new state-of-the art practice facility...check
Use of UI jet for both personal and recruiting purposes...check
Blind eye toward OWIs, DKJ drug house, City Boyz, dorm rape, etc...check
Need I continue?
bcl20
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Who would you try to replace him with?
ChosenChildren
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Well, thank God you don't have the authority, because you would be making the wrong decision. He'll be coach at Iowa for many more years and you will be making your negative posts for that entire time.
I'm happy with this coach and this program. This is a good man and he tries to do the right thing. I'm glad he is our coach and I think I represent 98% of the fan base. You are the vocal, fringe minority. You are entitled to your opinion, but most Iowa fans disagree with you.
Why is this relevant? This has already been addressed. Did you have any idea who KF or Fran were before they interviewed them? Were they your first choice to be hired. If you answered yes for both, then maybe you are right. Until then, not so much.
ChosenChildren
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Iowa is 29-29 in games decided by 8 points or less since 2000. It is one stat available in evaluating a coaching staff. I think it is a good record. He has won 60% of his games and led us to 11 bowl games. Those are the stats that matter to me.
Last time I checked Black Hearts Gold Pants hasn't won any sports journalism awards for accuracy or quality. It is just another football blog.
Most NFL scouts consider Iowa to have one of the best coaching staffs in the country. This has been documented on ESPN time and again. Deal with it.
clicheusername3
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You can add a cliche to the beginning of your username. You earned it with that. Don't choke on your regurgitated buzzwords of local sports radio.
bcl20
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How in holy hell is who would become head coach once the current head coach is fired not relevant? Seems like if you were so passionate about this you would at least have someone in mind as a replacement. Heck, you don't have to know names, you could throw out something like "I like Arkansas offense, maybe their offensive coordinator would be a good choice". Then you could research this and say "Hey, he has Iowa roots or Big Ten roots or some roots that you could link to Iowa". Or something along those lines. Or you could just be angry and reactionary, that solves everything.
I mean, what's the point for screaming for a guys firing and then having no idea who you would want to replace him, it's doing half the ******* job. It's lazy and annoying.
bcl20
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And no, it hasn't been addressed, there has been one poster who has thrown out a name they are interested in. Everyone else just throws out ****** off rhetoric and when confronted with who they may be interested in they ignore the question.
Please answer thge question: did you know much about Fran or Kirk before they were hired? I'm sure you were among the masses calling for Lick's head. Did you call on Fran specifically? I could thow a bunch of names out, but it doesn't matter and that's just playing fantasy coaching. Wanting a coach replaced does not mean he must predict the next coach.
What's the point? By your logic, an offensive line coach for the Ravens who had a mediocre record in his only head coaching role at Maine would have never been a suitable replacement for the legend, Hayden Fry. Your question is really pointless and a waste of time playing.
clicheusername3
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Jon gruden, urban Meyer, pat Fitzgerald, bret bielema, Chris Peterson. If 3-4 million a year is on offer you can talk to ANYONE.
And the "who else could we get that is better" argument is just as cowardly because it's higher than the high road. Some people want a change. That is their right and they don't have to justify it with specifics.
bcl20
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By your definition Kirk Ferentz has sucked and Fran has yet to do anything so it's not like these dudes who have come from no where have amounted to anything whatsoever so how is it a waste of time exactly?
And wanting a coach fired is playing fantasy AD. Especially in our situation as it won't happen (we aren't paying his salary for him to sit and do nothing) ****, message board posting is a waste of time if you follow your logic.
And I'd like to see the lists of possible replacements, it might be interesting to discuss how they may/may not be better than Ferentz.
bcl20
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Sure that's their right, you can have any opinion you want but it doesn't mean it's a good one. And how is it cowardly exactly? You fire a coach it's because you want something better correct? Ok, well, who is currently available that's better? The way I see it is this, if you are going to say "well, I've never heard of anyone available thus I don't know" you probably aren't educated enough on the matter to have a sound opinion.
And we wouldn't be offering our next coach what we're paying Ferentz considering we'd still be paying him.
You want to see how they compare to KF yet you don't see how that would have failed the logic test when we hired KF in the first place. KF didn't have a great resume as a head coach. Certainly couldn't be compared to Fry, yet now you want me to play fantasy AD and pick someone out of the blue for you to compare.
Wanting a coach replaced is not playing fantasy AD. That is simply voicing disapproval as fans do when they aren't satisfied with results.
We'd be able to get any coordinator in the country, that's for sure. Mark Stoops, Kirby Smart, Bryan Harsin, Manny Diaz, anybody. Hell, ISU got Gene Chizek when he was the top assistant in the country. We're a much better program throwing top five cash at a head coach. People need to stop thinking we'd have a hard time filling this job, we'd have more than enough qualified candidates.
clicheusername3
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Because youre demanding answers and have to give none with that argument.
It's not a bad opinion, it's a bad argument, because the KF knows best brigade can't prove that someone else couldn't come in here and do as good of a job for less money, or a better job for the same money. So I don't see how that is a "bad opinion"
Also, I never said KF has sucked. Like any business, sometimes even the better ones slip or become stagnant and need fresh ideas. I'm hoping this is resolved by taking necessary steps in getting new coordinators in. If not, it's not unreasonable to think that maybe the time is getting close to explore a new opportunity for our program.
