Answers from Ames

beaverdaleguy

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You know, I used to be one of those people who got completely PO'd about outcomes and let my emotions dictate my views on how and why things turned out how they did. Maybe I've matured a little, maybe I just see how stupid I was for letting my emotional rollercoaster spew out nonsense and radicalistic ideas on how I could run a Division I program better than those currently running it with decades more of experience than I have.

My thoughts on the game in Ames:

Yes, the good Captain Kirk was overly cautious. But if you've ever seen an Iowa game since 1999, you'd know that is how the Skipper has always coached. He comes from a long line of distinguished coaches as teachers and mentors and I think all of us would agree (at least those of us who have returned to our right minds) that it has worked out pretty well for us. Yes, Ferentz played for Overtime with over a minute left and two timeouts. He did the same thing with Vandenburg in '09 at the 'Shoe. Should he have done it back then? Probably (hindsight is 20/20, eh?). Should he have done it today? In my opinion, no. But then again, I don't show up to every practice and spend the hours he does with those young men and know what injuries are lingering behind the scenes and what nerves are being shattered on that field and in those huddles at the end of the game.

I noticed a lot of people also out to headhunt for Ken O'Keefe. A few years ago, I probably would have been in that crowd. In all honesty, I think out of every group on the field today, O'Keefe's offense was the most consistant and I happened to agree with 90-95% of his play calls. Even last year I don't think I could have said that. I think our troubles lie in a mixture of young, inexperienced players, key injuries, massive losses (especially on defense) to the NFL and better lives outside of our little fishbowl, and too high of expectations for kids who are probably still working through pimples and some of the hardest decisions of their lives figuring out how to pay tuition, what they want to do with their lives, and all on the eve of a hallmark anniversary of one of the greatest gut-wrenching disasters our country has ever seen.

I see, even on this forum alone, all the negativity and misguided passion which tears down not only any player or coach who might read these opinions of the emotionally exhausted faithful, but also fellow posters. We expect perfect seasons every year and frankly, Iowa Football hasn't been and still isn't at that point. We aren't located in major cities or in the deep south with heavy recruiting of kids with ungodly talent in our backyard. We don't have the history of a dozen national championships or hallmark historic rivalries like Alabama-Auburn, Michigan-Ohio St, Texas-Oklahoma..etc. We recruit good kids with a love of the game, a strong midwestern work ethic and a selfless attitude and go out to have fun and win games.

It is easy to see, especially reading some of the posts on here tonight, why national writers seem to not like Hawk fans. A lot of them who write in that I read are rude, selfish, and often narrow-minded and only see life inside Kinnick instead of thinking where Iowa football stands across the country as a whole. We haven't earned the respect and only continue to be perceived as self-rightous and arrogant. We are getting better. Coach Fry had ups and downs but none would argue that he wasn't an amazing (and well loved) coach who did great things with this program. Coach Ferentz might not coach the same way you play NCAA 2012 on your PS3, but then again life isn't a video game and you can't always throw a fake spike, all streak on 1st and 10 from your own goaline in real life.

Instead, I offer an alternative. Represent your actions and words that you write both here and on national boards in a manner reflective of what Coach Ferentz and his staff are teaching those young men we so idolize. Congratulate ISU on a tough game and Mr. Jantz on a spectacular display of athleticism and wish them all the luck in the future. From now on, we all represent the State of Iowa. Home of the nationally recognized Pewter Family. The First Family of our beloved Corn Associates. Our ambassadors to collegiate gridirons everywhere. I guarantee the stress levels in your life will decrease a hundred-fold and maybe, just maybe, your opinions will be taken more seriously by everyone around the country.

Besides, there is a lot of hate from a fanbase who claims the Iowa-Iowa St game is a "no win situation" for the Hawks. What poor memories we have.
 
I predicted earlier that Iowa's early injuries and whatnot would lead to some early losses.

Yes, this loss stings ... but it isn't the end of the world.

I think that there are still plenty of positives to be taken from the ISU game.

Also, kudos should be given to ISU ... they played really hard and played well. I really believe that they earned their victory.
 
Agree with OP ... We are who we are. Kirk has not changed in 12 years and he won't change for as long as he is here. I am with you, I used to get absolutely p'd off but maybe it comes with getting older and you realize there are other things more important in life. The loss still stings and several frustrating moments today, but if anything, maybe this will propel us to a good season. We definitely have plenty of game tape to review for tweaks we can make :)
 
well said. I want to go cyclone hunting tonight but we all have to grow up sometime and take a loss like a man. It hurts but we lost. Cheer for our team and let the chips fall where they may. I really do want to tell a clone off though..... geez
 
yeah the only thing i'm ****** at iowa state about is the ****** sound system that has my ears bleeding 6 hours later
 
I wasn't there, I instead had to suffer through Fox's crappy broadcasting with technical issues mid game but I heard it was cranked to 11
 
I wasn't there, I instead had to suffer through Fox's crappy broadcasting with technical issues mid game but I heard it was cranked to 11

God, when I turned the game on and saw it was Fox putting it on I cringed (spelling). After every play I had to see a clip from another game. So frustrating. Always a bad omen when it's on Fox...
 
I really think Kirk needs to take more chances in a game. Taking the safe route will lose games like yesterday. No we dont know what could have happend on the 4th and 1, but I believe that we would have picked up the first down and probably the touch. But again, we kicked and we will never know.
 
It is a double edged sword when discussing what Iowa should or shouldn't do, especially questioning Ferentz and O'Keefe constantly. Emotions do get the best of fans, especially in a rivalry game. I don't understand all the criticisms of the Iowa coaching staff. Defensively, Iowa lost a lot of talent from last year's team and it was a surprise to me that Sash left. Iowa has a lot of work to do and they just happened to let the QB from ISU get on a roll.
Iowa has had a lot of talent at the skill positions in the past few years, but the game plan hasn't changed. The offense didn't seem to be the entire problem against ISU, or even part of the problem. Iowa has to shore up things on D and figure out how to create pressure. The LB's have always been a strength and that position needs to step up with the defensive line having issues at this point. One would think that the DL would still be a strength, but watching the few games I have in the last three years of Iowa, there didn't seem to be a lot of substitutions and that may have been because of so many close games. However, to develop players they have to play, even if it is 3 series a half, it allows players to see things. Not to make comparisons, but look at OSU, there were at least that many series they will put all back-ups in and play, if they struggled, first team went right back in during the drive, if not, let them play meaningful minutes. Also, OSU always picked on drive per half and put their second team OL in. Again, not comparing, but there are always opportunities and situations to put back-ups in the game and play meaningful time.
Injuries are always killers and after losing as many quality players as Iowa has it really hurts when injuries happen.
It was a perfect storm heading into Ames and some days are like that. Iowa is still a quality team and they will be just fine when all is said and done.
 
Beaverdaleguy,



For the most part it sucks getting older, but one of the few good things you do get is a little wisdom and perspective on things. 10-12 years ago I would be fire this guy, fire that guy......Now, I can't really explain it after all the negatives I saw on the field yesterday I am still optimistic about the season. 8-4/9-3 is still possible, beating Nebraska, Floyd, it is all still out there to attain.
 
You know, I used to be one of those people who got completely PO'd about outcomes and let my emotions dictate my views on how and why things turned out how they did. Maybe I've matured a little, maybe I just see how stupid I was for letting my emotional rollercoaster spew out nonsense and radicalistic ideas on how I could run a Division I program better than those currently running it with decades more of experience than I have.

My thoughts on the game in Ames:

Yes, the good Captain Kirk was overly cautious. But if you've ever seen an Iowa game since 1999, you'd know that is how the Skipper has always coached. He comes from a long line of distinguished coaches as teachers and mentors and I think all of us would agree (at least those of us who have returned to our right minds) that it has worked out pretty well for us. Yes, Ferentz played for Overtime with over a minute left and two timeouts. He did the same thing with Vandenburg in '09 at the 'Shoe. Should he have done it back then? Probably (hindsight is 20/20, eh?). Should he have done it today? In my opinion, no. But then again, I don't show up to every practice and spend the hours he does with those young men and know what injuries are lingering behind the scenes and what nerves are being shattered on that field and in those huddles at the end of the game.

I noticed a lot of people also out to headhunt for Ken O'Keefe. A few years ago, I probably would have been in that crowd. In all honesty, I think out of every group on the field today, O'Keefe's offense was the most consistant and I happened to agree with 90-95% of his play calls. Even last year I don't think I could have said that. I think our troubles lie in a mixture of young, inexperienced players, key injuries, massive losses (especially on defense) to the NFL and better lives outside of our little fishbowl, and too high of expectations for kids who are probably still working through pimples and some of the hardest decisions of their lives figuring out how to pay tuition, what they want to do with their lives, and all on the eve of a hallmark anniversary of one of the greatest gut-wrenching disasters our country has ever seen.

I see, even on this forum alone, all the negativity and misguided passion which tears down not only any player or coach who might read these opinions of the emotionally exhausted faithful, but also fellow posters. We expect perfect seasons every year and frankly, Iowa Football hasn't been and still isn't at that point. We aren't located in major cities or in the deep south with heavy recruiting of kids with ungodly talent in our backyard. We don't have the history of a dozen national championships or hallmark historic rivalries like Alabama-Auburn, Michigan-Ohio St, Texas-Oklahoma..etc. We recruit good kids with a love of the game, a strong midwestern work ethic and a selfless attitude and go out to have fun and win games.

It is easy to see, especially reading some of the posts on here tonight, why national writers seem to not like Hawk fans. A lot of them who write in that I read are rude, selfish, and often narrow-minded and only see life inside Kinnick instead of thinking where Iowa football stands across the country as a whole. We haven't earned the respect and only continue to be perceived as self-rightous and arrogant. We are getting better. Coach Fry had ups and downs but none would argue that he wasn't an amazing (and well loved) coach who did great things with this program. Coach Ferentz might not coach the same way you play NCAA 2012 on your PS3, but then again life isn't a video game and you can't always throw a fake spike, all streak on 1st and 10 from your own goaline in real life.

Instead, I offer an alternative. Represent your actions and words that you write both here and on national boards in a manner reflective of what Coach Ferentz and his staff are teaching those young men we so idolize. Congratulate ISU on a tough game and Mr. Jantz on a spectacular display of athleticism and wish them all the luck in the future. From now on, we all represent the State of Iowa. Home of the nationally recognized Pewter Family. The First Family of our beloved Corn Associates. Our ambassadors to collegiate gridirons everywhere. I guarantee the stress levels in your life will decrease a hundred-fold and maybe, just maybe, your opinions will be taken more seriously by everyone around the country.

Besides, there is a lot of hate from a fanbase who claims the Iowa-Iowa St game is a "no win situation" for the Hawks. What poor memories we have.

I largely agree with you. I believe Kirk is a very good but, a flawed coach. My problem with his conservatism is that it seems based less on "empirical evidence" than a unbending conservatism. In Morehouse's article on KF's conservatism the coach's argument is, "this works more" ie. given these set of circumstances a conservative approach works more often to secure a victory than a more aggressive approach. I'm wondering is he's actually studied the statistics about this or if this is simply his conjecture. Further, there are specific sets of circumstances that made it likely that we would lose in OT. Yes, given the usual set of circumstances(OSU 99') with a struggling QB, and traditionally a good defense you may be better off waiting to take the game into overtime than attempting to march into field goal range with around a minute left. But, in the OSU game, Iowa was generally the inferior team. We were playing on the opposition's home field, and we'd needed some special teams magic(a long return for a TD)to pull even. We were being outplayed and were playing against a quality defense. Not using the advantage of having the ball and instead waiting till circumstances were even in field position(OT) we diminished our chances of winning against a generally superior team on their home field. WE gave them even field positions. Saturday we did the same. On the opponents home field, and while we were struggling on defense we gave the opponents even field position instead of using our advantage of having the ball. If Coach Ferentz was analyzing these respective situations and concluding that our chances were better in overtime than "risking" throwing the ball when we had control of it, it was a poor calculus. While in OT yesterday, not going for the first down on 4th and 1 was again a poor calculation. We were moving the ball in the running game. We have a power back who fits short yardage situations and we weren't stopping their offense from getting into the end zone. Given that set of circumstances if was "less risky" to go for the first down than risk that ISU wouldn't be able to score a TD. What's frustrating about Coach Ferentz is his pat conservatism that does not account for the circumstances of how his and his opponents team's are playing(and the home field advantage) overall in his decision making.
 
I predicted earlier that Iowa's early injuries and whatnot would lead to some early losses.

Yes, this loss stings ... but it isn't the end of the world.

I think that there are still plenty of positives to be taken from the ISU game.

Also, kudos should be given to ISU ... they played really hard and played well. I really believe that they earned their victory.

To your credit you did call this............I was like whatever, and just assumed a 4-0 non con-schedule. I can't remember if it was the people you talked to or you came up with it on your own, but nevertheless it was a good call.
 
Good lord. It is a message board so please get off your high horse. Fans have every right to be ****** about a coaching staff that does not seem to learn from past (overly conservative) mistakes. I never post about football topics because it is not what I know, but a message board is a message board.
 

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