eveningnewsteam
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I'm still wondering how KF kept his job after 2014. Not another place in the country would he have been retained
And you think Iowa has fallen
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1977Hawkeye
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Well the basic premise of this thread is true, but iowa wasn't supposed to have a down year in 2016. We had most of a really good team coming back.
This is 2009-10 all over again, except with IMO less overall talent than we had back then.
I didn't expect 12-0 again, but probably 9-3'ish would have been a successful season in my mind. Instead, it's looking like 6-6 or 5-7. Can't argue that this season is anything other than a major disappointment, barring a miracle finish.
This is 2009-10 all over again, except with IMO less overall talent than we had back then.
I didn't expect 12-0 again, but probably 9-3'ish would have been a successful season in my mind. Instead, it's looking like 6-6 or 5-7. Can't argue that this season is anything other than a major disappointment, barring a miracle finish.
HawkGold
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You do know that 2* usually means like of speed.... that's what is apparent. You can't fit lack of speed anywhere.
Mademyaccount4u
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I don't see you making any constructive criticisms, scooter. I understand many were calling for his head, and I wasn't one of them. Iowa can't... can not fire Ferentz no matter what you want. Barta took care of that with a bad decision, however I do believe in give him some time to build off the foundation he has laid.
I was talking with someone the other day, and I agree with the idea that Ferentz needs to look into hiring an OC with some NFL background, as obviously, the pro-style attack works for many teams in the NFL.
Going off like a blathering idiot doesn't help anyone, aside from maybe yourself. It stirs the pot and makes the entire fan base look idiotic.
Furthermore, I'm not certain why you think that your actions are the reason that Iowa has ever improved. Really? Get over yourself. If there is anything that is common in Coaches is the desire to win, if Ferentz were making decisions based on the fan base KOK would have been let go year before he was, and GD would not have been around for last years run.
I was talking with someone the other day, and I agree with the idea that Ferentz needs to look into hiring an OC with some NFL background, as obviously, the pro-style attack works for many teams in the NFL.
Going off like a blathering idiot doesn't help anyone, aside from maybe yourself. It stirs the pot and makes the entire fan base look idiotic.
Furthermore, I'm not certain why you think that your actions are the reason that Iowa has ever improved. Really? Get over yourself. If there is anything that is common in Coaches is the desire to win, if Ferentz were making decisions based on the fan base KOK would have been let go year before he was, and GD would not have been around for last years run.
Mademyaccount4u
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Because, if we get what most fans want, we would be some of those other teams. Ferentz scheme may not be what most people like, but it's sustainable. We WILL be teams like ISU and Kansas if we aren't careful.
I don't know, maybe I'm concerned about having a history like Illinois where they were good in the... 90's? Or if we're lucky, we end up with someone like Lick and get the right guy after him.
Mademyaccount4u
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That would be stupid to do. If Dantonio leaves, it's because other teams are willing to pay him big to get him.
Mademyaccount4u
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So you don't honestly thing that Iowa recruiting is better, this year and last, that the previous 4 years? Why is having more talent not a reason to be optimistic? Some of their practices were in an F'ing INFLATABLE BUBBLE.
Or it's because coaches get old and can't recruit or motivate teenagers any more, and they take lesser jobs in the twilights of their career, and good programs know and accept it. It's not stupid--it's big-boy college football.
justIowa does not play big-boy college football.
If you think the offensive coordinators are the problem, nobody on this board is going to be able to help you out because you obviously don't get what the problem is.
And using your line of thinking, no school should ever fire their coach because they might end up worse off. I'm glad the Cubs didn't listen to stupidity like that. Or Michigan, or Oklahoma or Iowa basketball before we hired Fran, etc.
Being afraid to fire an underperforming and lost coach is a losers mentality and that's where we are at currently with Iowa football.
Let's just see how this recruiting class plays out. Right now we aren't going to be on Iowa states level the way this season is turning. But you can tell yourself we've had good classes. They've been so good in fact that none of them have seen the field despite how horrible the guys in front of them are. Solid recruiting though!
Mademyaccount4u
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So you, if you were an AD, would fire a guy who has won 10+ games the last, what, 6 out of 7 years, and won 2 or 3 big ten titles in that time. And you would just fire him because of one bad year?
Maybe, you could say that their defense isn't as good as it was, but they had a down year like 4 years ago then won 10 game the next few years and a few B1G titles.
I don't have to say I would fire him. Just watch. I'm predicting that Dantonio will not be the coach at MSU within two years tops, and I'm more confident about the end of this year. He may "make a different choice"...maybe he can get top money out of another Power 5 program like KSU or something (although I doubt it), but he won't be the MSU coach in two years. And it's because the program will tell him that it's time to move on.
Mademyaccount4u
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I'll try again, and I'm not sure how you missed it last time, but Iowa CAN NOT fire Ferentz. Like, they can't afford to with the buyout, even if it were a good idea. How is not being able to afford to do something a losers mentality.
So tell me, what do we do?
They have no QB or RB. Thus they can't move the ball, thus they can't control the game, this their D gets tired, and they lose.
Sounds familiar, except that for MSU, that's an anomaly that I'm sure they will fix in recruiting this year. At least they are trying.
Iowa on depth and talent -- "the cavalry's not coming".
It really comes down to if you belive in this axioms:
1. 5* players are rated such because of their skill level. They are farther along in their progression as football players than their peers at their position.
2. It is easier to win football games if your team is skilled at football.
If you have 55 5 * players and one of them doesn't work out, you have a better chance of replacing him with a good player from the other 54 5*s. Thus your skill level stays high and is easier to win games.
If you have 0 5* and one diamond in the rough walk-on/low-level recruit (like Jewell or Tevaun Smith) and the next man in is a diamond n the rough who hasn't been cut yet you have less skilled players and it is harder to win.
The thing is our coach acknowledges this. He calls it margin for error. He says it's small at Iowa. The logical thing to do is increase the margin for error. He won't, because he's a bad recruiter.
The other thing is that the recruit ratings matter -- the teams that consistently recruit well win more often than teams that do not.
Last night our four years of 85 scholarship players got roasted by a team with 81 schollies of only 2 years. That means their coach has developed their payers to 3.5 times the skill of Iowa players in half of the time that Ferentz has had to develop is players, with fewer players to work with.
So either the Ferentz is a bad coach because he doesn't develop players quickly enough, or he's a bad coach because he doesn't start with players skilled enough to develop in a competitive time period (before they graduate).
Here's the other thing: recruiting the way Ferentz does - by largely ignoring recruiting ranking - is like trying to beat the market. The efficient market hypothesis states that it is impossible to do this consistently, and any period in which you do beat the market is pure chance. Iowa has five really good years out of 19. Ferentz beat the market by chance those years with good players that were rated low.
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Mademyaccount4u
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We've had at least 10 freshmen play this year. More than I can ever remember playing as freshmen.
This times a gazillion
I'll try again. Iowa has enough money with the BIG conference money to do what it wants. And if it wants to fire KF, it can. It would be painful from a money perspective but it can be done. If I were the AD id tell him he can't get blown out against UM and he has to win 2 of the last three plus the bowl game or he's out. Period. We need to start expecting more and creating a culture of winning.
