All this talk of player rotations...how would you do it?

biasedHAWKEYE

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Might as well have some fun with this.

Starting lineup
1: Mike G.
2: Josh O.
3: Roy D.M.
4: Aaron W.
5: Adam W.

First rotation 15 minutes
1: Mike G.
2: Roy D.M.
3: Aaron W.
4: Melsahn B.
5: Gabe O.

Second rotation 10 minutes
1: Anthony C.
2: Josh O.
3. Zach M.
4. Jarrod U.
5. Adam W.

Third rotation 5 minutes
1: Mike G
2: Josh O.
3: Roy D.M.
4: Aaron W.
5: Gabe O.
 
I actually really like our current starting lineup; I wouldn't change it.

As far as rotations, I'm not even going to try. Fran's having a hard enough time figuring all this out; I've got no chance of planning out the entire rotation. But I think a good general rule of thumb would be NO lineup combinations that involve both McCabe and Oglesby/Uthoff+Olaseni. When McCabe's on the floor, Marble and White both need to be there, IMO. That's not meant to be a knock on Oglesby or Uthoff (especially JO, because I really like what he's brought so far), but McCabe's game is too focused on threes right now. We need a more diverse scoring lineup with McCabe out there; Marble can hit threes or beat his man off the dribble and White works all kinds of magic inside the arc+he's a great rebounder. We also need Woody on the floor to help on the defensive end in those situations; McCabe is a defensive liability and Olaseni is too inconsistent to pair up with him in the paint.

Lineups suitable for McCabe:

Sapp/Gesell
Marble
White
McCabe
Woody

He can get solid minutes with those lineups, since neither is heavy on bench players, and it's the best possible balance between offense/defense we can have with him out there, IMO.
 
Rotations should be heavily dependent on creating mismatches for the opponent and going with the hot hand. Having set rotations doesn't allow for match ups. This has been a problem for this staff/team so far this season
 
Mike G., Roy M., A White, Woody, Uthoff. Run em until they drop. Knock off this hockey substitution BS (this isn't coaching or ultimate survivor)). Players off the bench would be Gabe O., Josh O., Melsahn. Others only as fouls/matchups dictate.
 
PG - Gesell
2G - Marble
SF - White
PF - Basabe
C - Olesani
First guys off the bench are Woodbury(only when Gabe is in foul trouble), Uthoff (at the 3 or 4), Ogelsby at the 2 and Clemmons at the PG spot. None of these guys get more than 10 mins per unless foul trouble forces it. McCabe gets 4-5 mins per game.
 
I want lineups that have Gesell, White, and Marble playing at the same time for as many minutes as possible.
 
Right now?

Marble
Gesselle
Olaseni
Besabe
Woody

White- He doesn't deserve starts, been a ghost lately
Josh O- Can be a lift off bench at times.

Then only short periods to rest the top 7 by:

Uthoff-Jok But never together.
Clemmons- Never allowed to be in game without either Marble or Geselle in
McCabe- And back to pine the first 3 pointer he throws up with 20 seconds left on shot clock. So he will play about 5 mins a game.
 
Depends on the opponent, but against teams with legit interior presence I'd like to see less Basabe/McCabe, play White at the 4, always have a center on the floor, and play more 3-guard lineups.

Personally, I like Gessell, Marble, JO, White, and Olesani. I think it is a nice combination of athleticism, ball-handling, spacing, and shooting.
 
Right now?

Marble
Gesselle
Olaseni
Besabe
Woody

White- He doesn't deserve starts, been a ghost lately
Josh O- Can be a lift off bench at times.

Then only short periods to rest the top 7 by:

Uthoff-Jok But never together.
Clemmons- Never allowed to be in game without either Marble or Geselle in
McCabe- And back to pine the first 3 pointer he throws up with 20 seconds left on shot clock. So he will play about 5 mins a game.


Marble
Gesselle
Olaseni
Besabe
Woody

Ding, Ding Winner.
 
Im mostly concerned with minute distribution and whos at what position.

The first thing that is really really hurting this group is playing Aaron White at the 3 where he is basically a non factor in a half court setting. Get him out of that spot.

I think we need to rotate all four guards Mike, Dev, Josh and Clemmons at the 1-3 spots with Uthoff mixed in as strictly a 3. Mike is in as much as possible, Clemmons spells him and play a few minutes together, Marble can then rotate between the 2 and the 3 depending on whether Josh, Uthoff or Clemmons is in.

If its up to me Im making Gabe a 30 minute a game guy, Let the other minutes be divided up between White, Basabe, and Woodbury. Gabe either plays the 5 or the 4 depending on whether Woodbury is in the game.

Gesell, Marble, Olaseni, those are your cornerstones and need to be in the game as much as possible. I didn't include White because he is just not an effective half court player but he probably becomes more effective at the 4 where he can out quick people and then you might include him in the list.

Scrap the idea of wearing down the other team by rotating lines, why? 6 losses thats why, its not working. Other teams are clearly not getting worn down, they are taking advantage instead.
 
This is easy.

Gesell
Marble
White
Basabe
Oleseni


I wouldn't play anyone else until one gets tired or gets into foul trouble or is totally sucking.
 
What I liked about our depth was the ability to keep fresh so we could run and play balls to the walls all the time. This would eventually wear the other team down and take their shooting legs away..play sloppy and result in TOs and easy points. Not been seeing much of this since Big play except for our games with NW. Other teams have been able to dictate the tempo of the game. The most glaring problem is this team shoots so poorly from the ARC. I don't see a fix for that regardless of lineup. The simplest fix would be to restrict McCabes minutes. Don't know why Fran plays him so much.But it won't be an issue next year.
 
Ok with current starting 5: Gesell, Marble, White, Basabe, Woody.

Unless one is just atrociously screwing up on both ends of the floor, they get 4-6 minutes to establish themselves and show me if they've come to play and what kind of game they're going to have.

My intent is Gabe is coming in for Mel or Woody at that point (if they are doing ok, I'm not rocking the boat until 2nd tv time out at 8 minutes).
If Mel, I now have Gesell, Marble, White, Woody, Gabe. I'm looking for Marble lobs and Woody passes to White on back cuts for dunks. I'm also setting up a great high/low game between the twin towers with Woody feeding Gabe on the blocks or driving. Marble can attack or shoot with a triple threat (White, Woody, Gabe) to clean up the glass and get the put backs.

If Gabe needs to get Woody, depending on Mel's game, I might also bring in Uthoff with Gabe. Shift White to the 4 and I now have Gesell, Marble, Uthoff(3), White(4), Gabe(5). I've now upheld my rebounding with White and Gabe but also stretched the defense with Uthoff at the 3 for some pop or dribble-drive, tho I'd like to keep that open for White and Marble to go to work.

Notice, at no time am I compromising my biggest strength -- height (6'2, 6'6, 6'9, 6'9, 6'10), length (Marble, Uthoff, Gabe), and relentless inside attack -- and I've expanded it with a solid threat of dribble drive from 2, 3 or 4 (Marble, White, Uthoff) and a hint of shooting (Marble, Uthoff, Gesell). At all 5 positions (less so with Gabe and Gesell) I've got dual and at 3 I've got triple-threats.

If I've got a 3 possession lead, I might go a little more "line-change" at that 4-8 minute mark for a little rest. In addition to the above, I might bring in Sapp for Mike and / or Oglesby for Mike (Dev goes to point) or Dev. This really depends on if my inside attack has worked to create fouls and force opponent into zone. That's the only time to bring in Oglesby because he's not going to be able to create his own space for shots against man but would definitely have opportunities with quick swing passes against a zone, where he's got time to go through his slow square and shoot.

I've now potentially used Gesell, Marble, White, Woody, Gabe, Mel, Uthoff, Oglesby and Sapp. Those 1st 5 or 6 need to get 24-30, depending on Woody / Mel. Uthoff gets 15-18, as my utility guy. Oglesby / Sapp for 6-10, depending on opportunity and performance.

McCabe is a guy I use less than 6-8 minutes a game, never at the 5 and never without Gabe or Woody on the floor. Jok is done unless I've got foul trouble or injury.

I continue to strive for transition, especially when Gesell, Marble, White and Gabe are on the floor. However, unlike now, I still have a half-court identity that is to work you inside-out. I'm gonna overwhelm you with size, relentlessly attack the rim and glass to create put backs or free throws. I want you to pack in a zone to stop this so I give my shooters more space to take their slow square up and release shots. When they can go through their motions, I have confidence they will hit those wide-open looks -- not so much against man or in transition.

There ya go, Fran, know who you are and use your best players to go dominate at it.
 
Marble
Gessell
White
Basabe
Woody

Olaseni
Uthoff
Oglesby

Every else club trillion


This.

Play your best players the most minutes they can handle. All this talk about depth is crap. Yes there are a lot of players on the team but some aren't ready or simply can't contribute at this point.
 
Marble
Gessell
White
Basabe
Woody

Olaseni
Uthoff
Oglesby

Every else club trillion

This x 1000.

McCabe see's the floor at the 5 spot only if Woody & Olaseni are in foul trouble.

Olaseni & Woody split minutes to keep them fresh.
McCabe relieves Basabe for a short breather that coincides with the under 14 tv timeout. White gets some time at the 4 too.

Between Uthoff, Oglesby, White, and Marble we can certainly figure out a way to cover the 2 & 3 without gassing any of them.

Sapp relieves Gesell for 1-2 minutes per half but never on the floor at the same time as McCabe.
 
Anyone that thinks this can be charted out has never coached. It can't be done...game situations, match ups, hot hand, off day, etc. Fran plays 10 or 11 guys and then settles on 7 or 8 that get most of the minutes in that particular game...exactly what should be done with a deep team.
 

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