After a good night's sleep

#1DieHardHawk

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Okay, I intentionally didn't come on the forum last night. One, the venting and ranting was predictable so I already knew what I was going to read, and, two, I feared that a lot of those vents and rants would have been mine...

I'm trying to analyze this game a little less emotionally this morning. My take:

Brian is trying too hard. I think all Iowa fans are happy to see a more open offense. He has done a very good job recognizing that teams were selling out on the zone blocking, and has made some great adjustments, BUT, the pendulum has swung too far. There's a fine line between creativity and chaos. The Mansell play is a good example. Ironically, when you watch the replay, it would have worked. Hockenson was wide open on the left, and Mansell looked right at him but inexplicably hesitated. Brian needs to dial it down a little, but I do applaud him for the effort.

Brian did not do a good job adjusting to what the defense was doing. Essentially, PSU rotated coverage to the TEs and left the WRs man-to-man. What I was hoping to see was more utilization of the RBs in the pass game. We started to see it late, but that adjustment should have happened much earlier. My guess is that he felt the need to keep the RB in for max-pro, but, quick rhythm passes would have worked. As Griese kept harping on (annoyingly I might add...), the other option is to throw it to Fant and/or Hock regardless. Even if they're covered, there's still a good chance they will win the battle.

Stanley played a poor game. That is obvious, but, keeping it real, his offensive line did him no favors. Jackson, Render and Ferguson were terrible at times last night. Ferguson was so bad he got pulled, which is something you rarely see from the Iowa coaches. The only reason that Wirfs was open for the lateral on the last play is because he got whipped and was standing there watching his man take down Stanley.

In that kind of environment, it's hard to expect great QB play unless your line shows up, and that wasn't the case. Lack of protection (especially on the road) gets in your head, so even when the protection is there, you may not make the play because your mind is racing. I get it that the coaches want to see their QB "play through it" - and, God forbid, potentially start a QB controversy - but, I agree with others that any player struggling to that degree should be pulled, at least for a series or two. I doubt Mansell would have done any better in that situation, but at least your sending a message to Stanley (and the rest of the team for that matter).

The defense continues to do a very admirable job. There were a few miscues (the edges were not set well at times, and, it looked like we weren't disguising the blitzes very well), but, all in all, a solid game.

Recinos deserves more recognition. He is as solid of a kicker as we've had in some time. Rastetter, on the other hand, needs to stick with the Aussie-style punts. His line drive standard-style punts are awful.

The season is not over. We are still in the thick of the West race, so it's not time to throw in the towel, but, the coaches have a lot to do this week with a road game at Purdue looming.
 
It doesn’t matter who is OC under KF, but our offense fails to show up in big games. The exception is maybe the OSU game in 2009 but if you remember Stross dropped a sure TD pass and the decison to sit on the ball at end of game.

We call gadget plays at the wrong damn time and that’s also been a trait of KF.

We hear that Iowa’s bread and butter is smash mouth football, but first and goal we come out in shotgun. I’m all for breaking tendencies but come on! Sometimes you do have to go man to man and try to win. You can’t punch it in on 4 attempts maybe you don’t deserve to call yourself the bullies

Clock management hasn’t improved ever. Stanley had no awareness on that first and goal and our coaches don’t call a TO??

This is Iowa football. Moments of competence but a whole lot of inconsistency

If someone told you before the game that Iowa would get

2 safeties
A fake FG TD
A pick 6
Recinos goes 2/2 on FG

Would anyone think we lose that game? Maybe most of us would think that cause our first thought would be....the offense shit the bed didn’t it??
 
If we can survive Purdue I think we handle the next 3 teams. Northwestern will be softened up after playing Notre Dame and they have to play at our place. Illinois sucks and we are a better team than Nebraska (which has to play us at home as well).

As much as it pains me, we have to be PSU fans for the next couple of weeks. Have them be jacked up by beating Michigan at home and carry that momentum into the Wisconsin game (also at home). Wisconsin also still has to play at Purdue.

The chance for a special season is still there, but we can't have anymore letdowns on our end. I think Wisconsin is going to lose at least one more time.

We can also beat Michigan or Ohio St. Really any game left for Iowa in conference is winnable. Barring major injuries, we have enough talent to be in every game. Just have to get the job done now for the rest of the season.
 
Really, the rally cry for this team now should be now (and I also think for us as a fan base) is get to the BTT game. The playoffs are out (and even if everything would have went our way, we would have played Alabama right out of the gate), but before we even dare to play in that game, we have to get over the hump in our own conference. We need to get back to the conference title game and win it. Performing well in the Rose Bowl would also be another major step.

A lot still to play for. More chances for redemption for the Wisconsin and Penn St games. But, they really need to establish what they want to be on offense moving forward. Hint.....Fant can't be a ghost for most of the game.
 
It doesn’t matter who is OC under KF, but our offense fails to show up in big games. The exception is maybe the OSU game in 2009 but if you remember Stross dropped a sure TD pass and the decison to sit on the ball at end of game.

We call gadget plays at the wrong damn time and that’s also been a trait of KF.

We hear that Iowa’s bread and butter is smash mouth football, but first and goal we come out in shotgun. I’m all for breaking tendencies but come on! Sometimes you do have to go man to man and try to win. You can’t punch it in on 4 attempts maybe you don’t deserve to call yourself the bullies

Clock management hasn’t improved ever. Stanley had no awareness on that first and goal and our coaches don’t call a TO??

This is Iowa football. Moments of competence but a whole lot of inconsistency

If someone told you before the game that Iowa would get

2 safeties
A fake FG TD
A pick 6
Recinos goes 2/2 on FG

Would anyone think we lose that game? Maybe most of us would think that cause our first thought would be....the offense shit the bed didn’t it??


Totally agree. The offense and Stanley totally sh*t the bed. Both looses are on a coaching staff and team that prides itself on smash mouth football yet cannot run the ball into the end zone inside the 5 yd line.

Passes at receivers ankles, sailing over heads, thrown behind them and bouncing off the turf. How about missing Hockenson.......just Unacceptable.

This is a good team... just not the great team we all want them to be. I'm hoping there is not a repeat of 2010 season where after the Whiskey loss (the day Iowa Football died) they pull the tent stakes in and lose out in November. We'll get a good idea if this team has guts and resolve next Saturday at Purdue.
 
Really, the rally cry for this team now should be now (and I also think for us as a fan base) is get to the BTT game. The playoffs are out (and even if everything would have went our way, we would have played Alabama right out of the gate), but before we even dare to play in that game, we have to get over the hump in our own conference. We need to get back to the conference title game and win it. Performing well in the Rose Bowl would also be another major step.

A lot still to play for. More chances for redemption for the Wisconsin and Penn St games. But, they really need to establish what they want to be on offense moving forward. Hint.....Fant can't be a ghost for most of the game.

The BTT? Playoffs? You thought either of those were possible with this team?

God, please, no. Stop the madness. This is a typical Kirk Ferentz team — 7-5, maybe if we’re lucky 8-4. Go to an OK bowl game, the Iowa fan base will be happy with middling results.

Keep it real.
 
The BTT? Playoffs? You thought either of those were possible with this team?

God, please, no. Stop the madness. This is a typical Kirk Ferentz team — 7-5, maybe if we’re lucky 8-4. Go to an OK bowl game, the Iowa fan base will be happy with middling results.

Keep it real.
No I did not think this was a playoff team. But, I think the chance is still there to win the conference. I don't think it will happen, but I think it is still there until it is not.
 
So disappointed. I thought we had turned the offensive corner. Then I realized we played Minnesota, Indiana and Maryland.

The coaching in this game is similar to what we always see. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Im not sure we beat Purdue or Northwestern. And that leaves at the norm, 8-4.
 
If we can survive Purdue I think we handle the next 3 teams. Northwestern will be softened up after playing Notre Dame and they have to play at our place. Illinois sucks and we are a better team than Nebraska (which has to play us at home as well).

As much as it pains me, we have to be PSU fans for the next couple of weeks. Have them be jacked up by beating Michigan at home and carry that momentum into the Wisconsin game (also at home). Wisconsin also still has to play at Purdue.

The chance for a special season is still there, but we can't have anymore letdowns on our end. I think Wisconsin is going to lose at least one more time.

We can also beat Michigan or Ohio St. Really any game left for Iowa in conference is winnable. Barring major injuries, we have enough talent to be in every game. Just have to get the job done now for the rest of the season.

Special season??? It's another year of losing to the only teams in conference play with a pulse. Who gives a shit that we beat the patsies of the B1G West. Like someone else started in another thread, when the hell was the last time Iowa won a big game. Those jagoffs out West have won more big games in the last 2yrs under Campbell than Iowa has under KF this decade. That is fucking pathetic.
 
Special season??? It's another year of losing to the only teams in conference play with a pulse. Who gives a shit that we beat the patsies of the B1G West. Like someone else started in another thread, when the hell was the last time Iowa won a big game. Those jagoffs out West have won more big games in the last 2yrs under Campbell than Iowa has under KF this decade. That is fucking pathetic.
It would be a special season if, IF, Iowa wins out and wins the Big Ten. IF.
 
If we can survive Purdue I think we handle the next 3 teams. Northwestern will be softened up after playing Notre Dame and they have to play at our place. Illinois sucks and we are a better team than Nebraska (which has to play us at home as well).

As much as it pains me, we have to be PSU fans for the next couple of weeks. Have them be jacked up by beating Michigan at home and carry that momentum into the Wisconsin game (also at home). Wisconsin also still has to play at Purdue.

The chance for a special season is still there, but we can't have anymore letdowns on our end. I think Wisconsin is going to lose at least one more time.

We can also beat Michigan or Ohio St. Really any game left for Iowa in conference is winnable. Barring major injuries, we have enough talent to be in every game. Just have to get the job done now for the rest of the season.

I think they split the next 2 and end up 9-3. Blough and Thorsen aren’t McSorley, but they will give Iowa problems. The issues with Stanley and pass protection are real against teams with a pulse.
 
I fear a big letdown next week and a convincing loss. Yesterday was 2010 Wisconsin, and will suck the life out of this team. 8-4 appears to be the ceiling, and I would not be the least surprised if they end up 7-5 (which is where I predicted they would be before the season).
 
Really, the rally cry for this team now should be now (and I also think for us as a fan base) is get to the BTT game. The playoffs are out (and even if everything would have went our way, we would have played Alabama right out of the gate), but before we even dare to play in that game, we have to get over the hump in our own conference. We need to get back to the conference title game and win it. Performing well in the Rose Bowl would also be another major step.

A lot still to play for. More chances for redemption for the Wisconsin and Penn St games. But, they really need to establish what they want to be on offense moving forward. Hint.....Fant can't be a ghost for most of the game.
Very little to play for at this point. Not even sniffing the BTT game. This team is way too inconsistent.

Maybe 3-1 the rest of the way, probably 2-2. Then a nice little also ran bowl game that a bunch of suckers will drop 1000's of $$ to go to so they can watch Iowa get demolished.

But hey, the young guys will get that extra practice then watch out next year!! Right?
 
Waiting to hear if Stanley has any hand issues going forward. If so Peyton needs to get a lot of reps and game plan for a running attack using his running ability ala McSorley. With pass-happy Purdue I think this would be a nice game plan. Don't know what else we can ask for from our special teams and defense, both did all they could to win the game. Just can't have one guy play so bad he loses the game for the whole team. Coaches really needed to evaluate Nate and either correct what he was doing or should have pulled him, especially if it was an injury.
 
Brian is trying too hard. I think all Iowa fans are happy to see a more open offense. He has done a very good job recognizing that teams were selling out on the zone blocking, and has made some great adjustments, BUT, the pendulum has swung too far. There's a fine line between creativity and chaos. The Mansell play is a good example. Ironically, when you watch the replay, it would have worked. Hockenson was wide open on the left, and Mansell looked right at him but inexplicably hesitated. Brian needs to dial it down a little, but I do applaud him for the effort.

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I agree with everything you said except the laying the blame for the 4th down Mansell call on BF. It is the head coach who makes the call to go on 4th down and that was 4th and long with plenty of time left for PSU. Yeah it could of and should have worked but Mansell also didnt pull the trigger against Maryland late in the game on a rollout with a wideopen receiver, go watch the replay. that was a strange time to go on 4th down when you have just a 3 pt lead.

Offensive line had their struggles with an athletic quick defensive line. I just think it is time to go with a better dose of Young on one cut straight ahead runs and a good amount of Sargent if IKM tweaked an ankle.

Quicker passes to schemed wide open receivers was needed as the game went on and that pass to Sargent leaking out of the backfield was a good pass.

Defense played well enough, Recinos was very good, punting the wet ball etc give them a pass as hell PSU gave us two safeties. On another day those two safeties might have been TDs.

In the end Nate did not have an Indiana type game and only he and the coaches know why right now.
 
Special season???

when the hell was the last time Iowa won a big game.

Those jagoffs out West have won more big games in the last 2yrs under Campbell than Iowa has under KF this decade. .

Wait a second. 2016 Iowa beats # 3 Michigan. Last year Iowa blasts highly ranked OSU, a record drubbing. So you are wrong there. And yes I agree KF's hawks under perform and miss opportunities like yesterday to win big games.

As far as Iowa State's big wins, Okie St is not that good as they lost a week after losing to ISU and Okie St just proved that Texas is not that good. And look at Iowa States close loss to TCU, hell TCU just lost to a bottom dwelling Kansas team.

ISU beating Oklahoma at OU last year was a big win. West VA doesnt have a big win yet this year.
 
There is some valid reason for it though.
Yeah, there is, but, I also think it's easy for fans to lose perspective after frustrating losses. I'll be the first to admit, keeping that perspective isn't easy though.

Nobody is happy with losses in big games. We need better offensive coaching, better offensive line play, and better QB play. More than anything, we need to see better consistency. Kirk shoulders a lot of the blame (as he should), as does Brian, but, where is the criticism of KOK? He's paid a lot of money to coach one, yes, one, position, and we're not seeing the results. Is he so revered by so many fans, that we are not being objective?

If we're going to drag Kirk and Brian to the woodshed, then KOK and Polasek better be in line. But, before we get out the whip, I think it's reasonable to see how the season plays out.
 

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