about that 3rd and 1
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FreedComanche
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Since there were so many that called this an aggressive play and thought it was a good idea to call it if you weren't gonna go for it on 4th down if it didn't work, I've come to the conclusion that those folks either didn't ever play football or are football dumb.
FreedComanche
This is a very good post. Several people made the argument that whether or not the play worked was the determining factor in whether it was a good decision or not. The correct answer is that the following playcall was what determined the play's merit. In this case, a punt on 4th equals a crappy 3rd down call.
FreedComanche
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I remember as I watched that play. I said to myself, "a junior high coach wouldn't have made such a stupid call".
FreedComanche
That was classic Kirk Ferentz game mismanagement. The game clock had less time than the play clock. Common sense says let the clock run out, go to the sidelines and set up a good 3rd and short play to start 4th quarter. Instead they run the dumbest play possible and punt to start the 4th quarter.
Kirk Ferentz might be the worst game day coach in all of football.
Kirk Ferentz might be the worst game day coach in all of football.
Might be?
deanvogs
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I said before, and I'll say again. Conservative guys like you can never understand aggressive, play to win coaching. You and your JR high coach example don't have a killer instict, as a 3rd down and 1 bomb, was the ONLY call to make in that instance.
By that rationale we should throw the bomb on every single play of every game. You know, to be AGGRESSIVE.
Eda
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I suppose you and your Jr High coach would've called a run play, you know because everyone was expecting that. Probably would've gotten it too, except NIU had 10 guys in the box.
deanvogs
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This is your first intelligent post to date. Get with the aggressive play calling, or GTFO.
WayzataHawkeye
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Somebody as smart as you seem to think you are should be able to imagine a broader array of possibilities. With the benefit of hindsight you have successfully identified a calculated risk that did not work out well for the Iowa coaches, who had the disadvantage of having to make the decision before the outcome was known. That does not qualify you as a football mensa.
Not sure what your 'football resume' looks like but I doubt it would look much different than the rest of us on this board. While I get frustrated with certain decisions that get made by our coaches I am smart enough to know there are a number of reasons why I am a CPA and not a big time FB coach.
deanvogs
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Chuck Long.....I mean what does he know about football compared to you and your JR high coach?
I liked Greg Davis’ call on 3rd and 1 even though it didn’t hit, that deep shot would have put some icing on the cake. I liked that call and as time goes on I think those plays will happen
How do we know what was being said in the headsets??? How do we know what was in the game planning.
First the idea is to complete the pass. If not complete, MAYBE they were going to go for it on 4th down and 1 but then after the pass fell incomplete KF changed his mind (which I think happened this time and many other times with KF). Maybe they game planned during the week that they could take a shot like this.
And as far as what was said about letting the play 3rd Qtr game clock run out and talk about it. Yeah, they could have done that, I thought they would do that from up in the stands, but the hawks also took their time coming up to the LOS and they had a good play called that just missed execution.
Right after the game and thru Sunday I was more than upset with the loss and really upset with some mental breakdowns and how we didnt finish first Qtr drives, etc.
By Monday, my thoughts had changed to we look improved and we can start winning football games, Rudock looked good on the first half replay, the defensive front 7 looks better, etc
FreedComanche
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You are not reading all my posts. I have stated several times that I was impressed with the aggressive down field calls. For you to call me conservative in this regard is very foolish on your part. If you still think it was smart to call a deep pass play on 3rd and 1 without going for it on 4th down when you really needed a first down, I really can't help you.
FreedComanche
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This is where you are wrong. I said last year against NI when they called the run on 3rd and 10 (and it worked) was a dumb call. Why would I say that? Because most of the time when you need 10 yards and you run for it, you won't get it. If you need ten yards, it's more probable you will get those yards if you pass rather than run for it. This year, even if the 3rd and 1 deep pass would have worked, it was still a dumb call.
FreedComanche
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I heard him say that, too. He was either being nice and didn't want to call out kf, or this is a big reason why he's no longer a football coach. I think he was being nice.
eveningnewsteam
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Stupid call in the situation. Weisman could have fallen over and got the first. Not only that, but you are risking sending your defense out AGAIN after another 3 and out, in that heat.
FreedComanche
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I know, dude. But like I've said in other posts, some of the guys on here are so kf defender happy that they can't think straight about things.
