A modern-day rendition of Moby Dick

Seth53

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Herman Melville penned the epic novel, Moby Dick (MD) in 1851. It portrayed a monomaniacal, fanatical and somewhat insane individual named Captain Ahab and his single-minded obsession to kill his nemesis, the white whale, or MD. He pursued his quest aboard the vessel Pequod.

Fast forward to 2016 – 2024 and the symbolism which has unfolded, this time between the liberals and Trump, is undeniable.

To wit:


Trump is MD. He is hunted relentlessly and without remorse. He is the feared antagonist to Ahab and the Pequod crew. He wants nothing more than to be left alone and live his life. But this is not the case.

Hillary, Obama, Biden and Harris, together, represent a Multi-Ahab character. Monomaniacal, fanatical, insane and Ungodly. They are driven by a single-minded obsession to kill MD. They can be charismatic and can move others through speeches. But have no doubt, they hide their very bleak dark side well but manage to become careless.

Melville’s Pequod was the well-equipped vessel on which Ahab directed his efforts. He had the finest tools available in the day to carry out his quest: A sturdy ship, Sharp harpoons, ropes of all sorts and a very seasoned crew, represented by every state of the union.
Quite a fearsome and effective collection for whale hunting.

Today’s Pequod is represented by the radical left and the tools the Multi-Ahab characters had at their disposal: FBI, DOJ, IRS, Corrupt judges, Politically driven prosecutors, Fake Russian dossiers, Attempting to keep Trump off of state ballots, Trying to fine/bankrupt Trump, Tying Trump up in court so he couldn’t effectively campaign, Two bogus impeachments. And the list of course cannot be complete without mentioning their own Praetorian Guard, the mainstream media.
Quite a fearsome and effective collection to be used for whale hunting.


But why this obsession? What drives individuals to do evil deeds, imperil others, just for the sake of perceived justifiable revenge and blood lust?

In Melville’s world, Ahab had an earlier encounter with MD. MD injured him badly, costing him a leg and tarnishing his reputation among whalers. A deep and unrelenting hatred ensued. And so it began…a three year quest of revenge and self-loathing.

In today’s world, the Multi-Ahab characters experienced an earlier encounter with their own MD, in 2016. The Multi-Ahab characters and Liberal Pequod believed in their own invincibility. Nothing could touch them. They were smarter than everyone else and nothing would stop them.


But a funny thing happened. The 2016 MD triumphed, against seemingly insurmountable odds. How could this be?

Hillary and the Multi-Quad Ahab were injured. The Democratic party was injured and embarrassed. Revenge, through any means, was to be exacted. The Tri-Ahab of Obama, Biden and Harris vowed to ride their own Pequod (as outlined above) to destroy the “satanic and Hitler-like” MD.

And so it began. Eight years of unrelenting hunting, pressure, throwing out every means possible to subdue and kill their MD. All of it made up. Lies begot lies. All of it evil. And as it turns out, all of it was ineffective and all for naught.

Because, Oh, Yes, the Tri-Ahab characters and their Pequod squared off with MD once again in 2024.

In Melville’s world, MD vanquishes the entire crew of the Pequod and the Pequod itself. Only Ishmael survives to tell the accurate tale.

And just like in Melville’s world, the 2024 MD once again triumphed. Winning, convincingly both the popular and electoral vote. Initiating and sustaining a red-wave, the likes of which had never been seen before.

And just like before, this time, the Quad-Ahab contingent and their modern-day Pequod, while not destroyed, are severely damaged. Reputations permanently tarnished. The liberal left now in disarray. Woke and DEI agendas perishing. Mainstream media diminished in every sense. Former lefties gravitating towards conservatism.

And today’s modern-day Ishmael(s), the non-mainstream press (Fox, Webb, Wilcow, Hannity, Levin), live to tell the exact tale for all to be educated by. And for future generations to be weary of.


What would Herman Melville make out of all of this? My sense is that he’d be justified in thinking the following:

1851. 2016. 2024. The year doesn’t matter. The century doesn’t matter. The results of maniacal and ungodly individuals attempting to destroy others for personal gain always leads to the same ending….might does not make right. If we don’t learn from history, we’re bound to repeat it.
 
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Herman Melville penned the epic novel, Moby Dick (MD) in 1851. It portrayed a monomaniacal, fanatical and somewhat insane individual named Captain Ahab and his single-minded obsession to kill his nemesis, the white whale, or MD. He pursued his quest aboard the vessel Pequod.

Fast forward to 2016 – 2024 and the symbolism which has unfolded, this time between the liberals and Trump, is undeniable.

To wit:


Trump is MD. He is hunted relentlessly and without remorse. He is the feared antagonist to Ahab and the Pequod crew. He wants nothing more than to be left alone and live his life. But this is not the case.

Hillary, Obama, Biden and Harris, together, represent a Multi-Ahab character. Monomaniacal, fanatical, insane and Ungodly. They are driven by a single-minded obsession to kill MD. They can be charismatic and can move others through speeches. But have no doubt, they hide their very bleak dark side well but manage to become careless.

Melville’s Pequod was the well-equipped vessel on which Ahab directed his efforts. He had the finest tools available in the day to carry out his quest: A sturdy ship, Sharp harpoons, ropes of all sorts and a very seasoned crew, represented by every state of the union.
Quite a fearsome and effective collection for whale hunting.

Today’s Pequod is represented by the radical left and the tools the Multi-Ahab characters had at their disposal: FBI, DOJ, IRS, Corrupt judges, Politically driven prosecutors, Fake Russian dossiers, Attempting to keep Trump off of state ballots, Trying to fine/bankrupt Trump, Tying Trump up in court so he couldn’t effectively campaign, Two bogus impeachments. And the list of course cannot be complete without mentioning their own Praetorian Guard, the mainstream media.
Quite a fearsome and effective collection to be used for whale hunting.


But why this obsession? What drives individuals to do evil deeds, imperil others, just for the sake of perceived justifiable revenge and blood lust?

In Melville’s world, Ahab had an earlier encounter with MD. MD injured him badly, costing him a leg and tarnishing his reputation among whalers. A deep and unrelenting hatred ensued. And so it began…a three year quest of revenge and self-loathing.

In today’s world, the Multi-Ahab characters experienced an earlier encounter with their own MD, in 2016. The Multi-Ahab characters and Liberal Pequod believed in their own invincibility. Nothing could touch them. They were smarter than everyone else and nothing would stop them.


But a funny thing happened. The 2016 MD triumphed, against seemingly insurmountable odds. How could this be?

Hillary and the Multi-Quad Ahab were injured. The Democratic party was injured and embarrassed. Revenge, through any means, was to be exacted. The Tri-Ahab of Obama, Biden and Harris vowed to ride their own Pequod (as outlined above) to destroy the “satanic and Hitler-like” MD.

And so it began. Eight years of unrelenting hunting, pressure, throwing out every means possible to subdue and kill their MD. All of it made up. Lies begot lies. All of it evil. And as it turns out, all of it was ineffective and all for naught.

Because, Oh, Yes, the Tri-Ahab characters and their Pequod squared off with MD once again in 2024.

In Melville’s world, MD vanquishes the entire crew of the Pequod and the Pequod itself. Only Ishmael survives to tell the accurate tale.

And just like in Melville’s world, the 2024 MD once again triumphed. Winning, convincingly both the popular and electoral vote. Initiating and sustaining a red-wave, the likes of which had never been seen before.

And just like before, this time, the Quad-Ahab contingent and their modern-day Pequod, while not destroyed, are severely damaged. Reputations permanently tarnished. The liberal left now in disarray. Woke and DEI agendas perishing. Mainstream media diminished in every sense. Former lefties gravitating towards conservatism.

And today’s modern-day Ishmael(s), the non-mainstream press (Fox, Webb, Wilcow, Hannity, Levin), live to tell the exact tale for all to be educated by. And for future generations to be weary of.


What would Herman Melville make out of all of this? My sense is that he’d be justified in thinking the following:

1851. 2016. 2024. The year doesn’t matter. The century doesn’t matter. The results of maniacal and ungodly individuals attempting to destroy others for personal gain always leads to the same ending….might does not make right. If we don’t learn from history, we’re bound to repeat it.
Did you write this? Because if you did I don't care about the political-ness of it, it's very good. I'm impressed.

Not that impressing someone like me is anything special, but I'm impressed nonetheless.
 
Yeah, right. And the FBI is a tool of the radical left? Egads, man, you are truly delusional.
What's really delusional is you thinking your team is actually better. They're both equally corrupt and evil.

"My team is right!!!"

"No you jerk, my team is right!!!"

"How do you know?"

"Because I just do, that's how!"

"Well then let's just spend our time trying to kill each other and not ever get anything positive done because it'd make me feel better to 'win' an argument or election than work with you to compromise, even though 'winning' is just our own opinion and perception! If you're not going to see things 100% my way then I'm throwing the baby and the bath water out, because 'na na na na boo boo!"

"Ok, yeah let's do that. It's easier and doesn't require critical thought."

"Deal..."

=/=

You partisan folk are the modern day equivalent of two tribes of jungle apes hitting each other with sticks and throwing feces at each other, only worse because you have the benefit of millions of years of (supposed) brain evolution. I loathe both parties, but let's be real...at least the GOP is blatantly honest about being intolerant. Your team preaches tolerance with the condition that you're only tolerant of people and viewpoints that are exactly the same as your own. That's the definition of hypocrisy.

I was going to say something about the speck in your neighbor's eye being more important than the plank in your own, but it's probably not worth the effort and would be lost on you.
 
Herman Melville penned the epic novel, Moby Dick (MD) in 1851. It portrayed a monomaniacal, fanatical and somewhat insane individual named Captain Ahab and his single-minded obsession to kill his nemesis, the white whale, or MD. He pursued his quest aboard the vessel Pequod.

Fast forward to 2016 – 2024 and the symbolism which has unfolded, this time between the liberals and Trump, is undeniable.

To wit:


Trump is MD. He is hunted relentlessly and without remorse. He is the feared antagonist to Ahab and the Pequod crew. He wants nothing more than to be left alone and live his life. But this is not the case.

Hillary, Obama, Biden and Harris, together, represent a Multi-Ahab character. Monomaniacal, fanatical, insane and Ungodly. They are driven by a single-minded obsession to kill MD. They can be charismatic and can move others through speeches. But have no doubt, they hide their very bleak dark side well but manage to become careless.

Melville’s Pequod was the well-equipped vessel on which Ahab directed his efforts. He had the finest tools available in the day to carry out his quest: A sturdy ship, Sharp harpoons, ropes of all sorts and a very seasoned crew, represented by every state of the union.
Quite a fearsome and effective collection for whale hunting.

Today’s Pequod is represented by the radical left and the tools the Multi-Ahab characters had at their disposal: FBI, DOJ, IRS, Corrupt judges, Politically driven prosecutors, Fake Russian dossiers, Attempting to keep Trump off of state ballots, Trying to fine/bankrupt Trump, Tying Trump up in court so he couldn’t effectively campaign, Two bogus impeachments. And the list of course cannot be complete without mentioning their own Praetorian Guard, the mainstream media.
Quite a fearsome and effective collection to be used for whale hunting.


But why this obsession? What drives individuals to do evil deeds, imperil others, just for the sake of perceived justifiable revenge and blood lust?

In Melville’s world, Ahab had an earlier encounter with MD. MD injured him badly, costing him a leg and tarnishing his reputation among whalers. A deep and unrelenting hatred ensued. And so it began…a three year quest of revenge and self-loathing.

In today’s world, the Multi-Ahab characters experienced an earlier encounter with their own MD, in 2016. The Multi-Ahab characters and Liberal Pequod believed in their own invincibility. Nothing could touch them. They were smarter than everyone else and nothing would stop them.


But a funny thing happened. The 2016 MD triumphed, against seemingly insurmountable odds. How could this be?

Hillary and the Multi-Quad Ahab were injured. The Democratic party was injured and embarrassed. Revenge, through any means, was to be exacted. The Tri-Ahab of Obama, Biden and Harris vowed to ride their own Pequod (as outlined above) to destroy the “satanic and Hitler-like” MD.

And so it began. Eight years of unrelenting hunting, pressure, throwing out every means possible to subdue and kill their MD. All of it made up. Lies begot lies. All of it evil. And as it turns out, all of it was ineffective and all for naught.

Because, Oh, Yes, the Tri-Ahab characters and their Pequod squared off with MD once again in 2024.

In Melville’s world, MD vanquishes the entire crew of the Pequod and the Pequod itself. Only Ishmael survives to tell the accurate tale.

And just like in Melville’s world, the 2024 MD once again triumphed. Winning, convincingly both the popular and electoral vote. Initiating and sustaining a red-wave, the likes of which had never been seen before.

And just like before, this time, the Quad-Ahab contingent and their modern-day Pequod, while not destroyed, are severely damaged. Reputations permanently tarnished. The liberal left now in disarray. Woke and DEI agendas perishing. Mainstream media diminished in every sense. Former lefties gravitating towards conservatism.

And today’s modern-day Ishmael(s), the non-mainstream press (Fox, Webb, Wilcow, Hannity, Levin), live to tell the exact tale for all to be educated by. And for future generations to be weary of.


What would Herman Melville make out of all of this? My sense is that he’d be justified in thinking the following:

1851. 2016. 2024. The year doesn’t matter. The century doesn’t matter. The results of maniacal and ungodly individuals attempting to destroy others for personal gain always leads to the same ending….might does not make right. If we don’t learn from history, we’re bound to repeat it.

At least the post of the year, if not decade

Most Excellent, Seth Three Times
 
"All of it made up". Bull shit.

And so it began. Eight years of unrelenting hunting, pressure, throwing out every means possible to subdue and kill their MD. All of it made up. Lies begot lies. All of it evil. And as it turns out, all of it was ineffective and all for naught.
 
"All of it made up". Bull shit.

And so it began. Eight years of unrelenting hunting, pressure, throwing out every means possible to subdue and kill their MD. All of it made up. Lies begot lies. All of it evil. And as it turns out, all of it was ineffective and all for naught.
Honest question here...

Is your preference for these two parties (in a perfect world, which we know will never happen) to mudsling like you guys do here, and hence both sit in dirty diapers indefinitely because neither of you get your way, or would it be to give up 50% of what you're asking to get 50% of what you're asking? Same deal goes for GOP.

Can you do that? Be brutally honest with yourself. Because if the true answer in your heart is no, then you are just as much of the problem as the party you oppose.

I know it's difficult, but at the end of the day eating all the cake is never going to happen no matter what you do as a voter/activist/lobbyist/what have you.

Never.

The one and only option is 50/50 compromise. If that's not something you're willing to concede, then you are choosing to go down with a sinking ship in the name of foolish pride.

Truth be told, I'd respect a whole lot more someone who admits he/she would refuse to compromise over someone who tells me they're willing, but really isn't.
 
What's really delusional is you thinking your team is actually better. They're both equally corrupt and evil.

"My team is right!!!"

"No you jerk, my team is right!!!"

"How do you know?"

"Because I just do, that's how!"

"Well then let's just spend our time trying to kill each other and not ever get anything positive done because it'd make me feel better to 'win' an argument or election than work with you to compromise, even though 'winning' is just our own opinion and perception! If you're not going to see things 100% my way then I'm throwing the baby and the bath water out, because 'na na na na boo boo!"

"Ok, yeah let's do that. It's easier and doesn't require critical thought."

"Deal..."

=/=

You partisan folk are the modern day equivalent of two tribes of jungle apes hitting each other with sticks and throwing feces at each other, only worse because you have the benefit of millions of years of (supposed) brain evolution. I loathe both parties, but let's be real...at least the GOP is blatantly honest about being intolerant. Your team preaches tolerance with the condition that you're only tolerant of people and viewpoints that are exactly the same as your own. That's the definition of hypocrisy.

I was going to say something about the speck in your neighbor's eye being more important than the plank in your own, but it's probably not worth the effort and would be lost on you.
Wow, that's a heckuva response to a simple 18 word post that said:
* Mr. Trump likes the limelight; and
* The FBI is not a tool of the radical left.
Does any rational person from either political party, or any moderate person disagree with those statements? I think it can be safely said they are statements of obvious fact.
The hypothetical conversation you list above is unlike any conversation with anyone I've had my entire life. I do have strong feelings about public policies, the role of government, and personal character, but I don't blindly agree 100% with either major party.
I think you and I agree on the importance of critical thinking and not accepting a perspective based simply on where it comes from or who espouses it. And I agree that both sides often make that mistake these days.
So, I guess I would just say, you are describing many people I know personally -- on both sides -- but not me.
 
Honest question here...

Is your preference for these two parties (in a perfect world, which we know will never happen) to mudsling like you guys do here, and hence both sit in dirty diapers indefinitely because neither of you get your way, or would it be to give up 50% of what you're asking to get 50% of what you're asking? Same deal goes for GOP.

Can you do that? Be brutally honest with yourself. Because if the true answer in your heart is no, then you are just as much of the problem as the party you oppose.

I know it's difficult, but at the end of the day eating all the cake is never going to happen no matter what you do as a voter/activist/lobbyist/what have you.

Never.

The one and only option is 50/50 compromise. If that's not something you're willing to concede, then you are choosing to go down with a sinking ship in the name of foolish pride.

Truth be told, I'd respect a whole lot more someone who admits he/she would refuse to compromise over someone who tells me they're willing, but really isn't.
Good question. There are obviously things I feel more strongly about than others when it comes to compromising.
When you say "The one and only option is 50/50 compromise", is there anything you feel strongly enough about that you would NOT compromise on, from a policy perspective? It's an honest question that arose from your question.
 
"All of it made up". Bull shit.

And so it began. Eight years of unrelenting hunting, pressure, throwing out every means possible to subdue and kill their MD. All of it made up. Lies begot lies. All of it evil. And as it turns out, all of it was ineffective and all for naught.
Wow, that's a heckuva response to a simple 18 word post that said:
* Mr. Trump likes the limelight; and
* The FBI is not a tool of the radical left.
Does any rational person from either political party, or any moderate person disagree with those statements? I think it can be safely said they are statements of obvious fact.
The hypothetical conversation you list above is unlike any conversation with anyone I've had my entire life. I do have strong feelings about public policies, the role of government, and personal character, but I don't blindly agree 100% with either major party.
I think you and I agree on the importance of critical thinking and not accepting a perspective based simply on where it comes from or who espouses it. And I agree that both sides often make that mistake these days.
So, I guess I would just say, you are describing many people I know personally -- on both sides -- but not me.
Then let's put our money where our mouths are.

We all know that neither of these two parties is going to get all of what they want. So they just mudsling and argue incessantly instead of doing anyhting. It's happening right here between you guys and the conservatives.

How willing are you to compromise? We know there's no other option other than going down with the ship so let's play "Let's Make A Deal."

Would you guys...

--Agree to non-life threatening abortion being banned in return for a government-paid health care system?

--Agree to the deportation of undocumented immigrants and tightening of the borders in exchange for a higher minimum wage?

--Maintain 2nd amendment rights in their current form in return for subsidized tuition?

Same questions inversely for you conservatives out there...

Because if you aren't willing to "make a deal," we ain't getting shit done in this country and you are the problem. You guys would all tell your toddler children they need to learn to give and take...compromise, but are you willing to act that out yourselves?
 
Good question. There are obviously things I feel more strongly about than others when it comes to compromising.
When you say "The one and only option is 50/50 compromise", is there anything you feel strongly enough about that you would NOT compromise on, from a policy perspective? It's an honest question that arose from your question.
That's the wrong way to look at it, and that's why we are where we are now in this country. Because people have blinders on and classify things by absolutes with no reference to what else is being asked to compromise.

If you ask me whether I'd compromise on say, higher minimum wage, it would depend on what the other side of the compromise would be. Is that a cold-hearted way to look at it? Yes.

Is it a necessary way to look at it? Also yes. The problem here is politics is really not much different than a used car deal. One party can't be convinced their car isn't worth $20K, but the other party won't go over $10K.

Both parties are wrong and we all suffer for it because as a society we need the "deal" to happen for $15K. But the people doing the dealing are both knuckleheads who would just rather sit there and yell at the other guy and tell them how stupid they are, which you guys are doing here. And as a society we suffer.
 
That's the wrong way to look at it, and that's why we are where we are now in this country. Because people have blinders on and classify things by absolutes with no reference to what else is being asked to compromise.

If you ask me whether I'd compromise on say, higher minimum wage, it would depend on what the other side of the compromise would be. Is that a cold-hearted way to look at it? Yes.

Is it a necessary way to look at it? Also yes. The problem here is politics is really not much different than a used car deal. One party can't be convinced their car isn't worth $20K, but the other party won't go over $10K.

Both parties are wrong and we all suffer for it because as a society we need the "deal" to happen for $15K. But the people doing the dealing are both knuckleheads who would just rather sit there and yell at the other guy and tell them how stupid they are, which you guys are doing here. And as a society we suffer.
I would just add that the difference between politics and a used car deal is that there are outside pressures trying to impact which side of the deal feels more pressure to move toward the other's position. Thus grassroots lobbying campaigns, social media campaigns, corporate donations, etc. And while individuals such as us may be willing to compromise and cut deals, folks involved in those efforts generally have no interest in anything other than their self-interest. Their impact is large, and growing, for a variety of reasons.
 
I would just add that the difference between politics and a used car deal is that there are outside pressures trying to impact which side of the deal feels more pressure to move toward the other's position. Thus grassroots lobbying campaigns, social media campaigns, corporate donations, etc. And while individuals such as us may be willing to compromise and cut deals, folks involved in those efforts generally have no interest in anything other than their self-interest. Their impact is large, and growing, for a variety of reasons.
I don't disagree, but you are conflating corruption with the issue I was talking about. Yes, they go hand in hand, but corruption and obstinance are two separate things. Let's take one at a time.

Can you answer the 3 questions I asked, truthfully in your heart? Don't think about how your answer will be received, or what people will think, or whether you are for/against any of those things in my question. Think about making a compromise for progress, even if it's not the amount of progress you want. Some progress is better than none, and guess what? Once both sides can compromise...even a little...they'll both start to see some of their own "wants" happening (even if those wants you gave into aren't appealing to you), and they'll be progressively more willing to work with each other. It used to happen in this country...It just won't ever work again I'm afraid.

Or have you been so absorbed by partisanship and refusal to even consider 50/50 compromise that you've effectively just assimilated in to the "monkey throwing poop because all the other monkeys are throwing poop" collective?

Even if you answered me "No" on those questions, I'd respect that more than the deflection, whataboutism, and an empty and false "Yes" answers people give time after time.
 

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