42% from the line

As horrendous as the free throw shooting was I'd be satisfied with shooting that poorly if we cut the turnovers and points off turnovers in half. As poor as the defense is, if they hold opponents under 20+ points off turnovers and actually take care of the ball, I don't see the defense (or lack there of) or free throw shooting (as ugly as it was) as something they couldn't overcome.
 
1977Hawkeye said:
Those guys might be quick enough to be good defenders but we need better D out of the guys who actually get minutes.

I would say we need to be more athletic on the perimeter but Wisconsin seems to be solid defensively year in and year out and they've never struck me as freakishly athletic.

Things to work on this off-season, IMO, in this order:

1. Defense - real shocker.
2. Rebounding - Part of good defense is finishing the deal by getting the defensive rebound. Wouldn't hurt to get more 2nd chances on the offensive end, either. Really need a Reggie Evans type player.
3. FT's (mainly our bigs).
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I agree, they need to actually earn minutes for it to be a factor. That's why I said Williams needs to improve his offense.

Next year we will need to replace Jok's 30 MPG. JBo's minutes won't increase much as he's already about 30 MPG. The opportunity is there for these guys.
 
NikeHawk21 said:
I agree, they need to actually earn minutes for it to be a factor. That's why I said Williams needs to improve his offense.

Next year we will need to replace Jok's 30 MPG. JBo's minutes won't increase much as he's already about 30 MPG. The opportunity is there for these guys.
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I could see Moss getting the bulk of those minutes. It's always confused me how he starts, but then sees little to no minutes in the second half. I see him getting quite a bit of the available minutes despite the fact that he's already a starter.
 
NikeHawk21 said:
It's not really that surprising given who shot them. Wagner and Cook shot 11 of our 19. They are what 60% guys. So instead of 6/10 they went 4/10.

The defense was much more of a concern for me. Turnovers second on the list.
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60% guys shooting 40%, to me that's a huge difference, they shoot even close to their season long average, it's a W in reg). Unless you are a huge 6'11+ guy, there's no reason to not be at least a 60% shooter. What really strange is that they both have a decent looking shot....it's all mental.

Freethrows #1, Turnovers #2, Defense #3. Defense has been better this year but it's been a weakness all year, that was no different yesterday.

Jbo needs to improve on Defense, absolutely no question there, but I would argue....strongly....that having the 4 and 5 make improvements in position and awareness, will help Jbo's D stats quite a bit. Basically, there is no one home once a player gets around the perimeter defender, and then when there is....said player can dish to wide open other player.

That said, I think overall team defense will improve by a significant margin next year, at least enough to be easily noticed. The question becomes where does about 15 of Jok's 20 ppg come from????.
 
PCHawk said:
I was saying before the game that I had a bad feeling that Jok chasing that record was going to bite us. Every time he went to the line you could cut the tension with a knife. If I remember right, he went 1 for 2 his last 3 times at the line. We could have used that point in regulation and I bet if it wasn't for that stupid record, he would have calmly walked up and drilled both.
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Alf still f'n us.....
 
Inexcusable for a BT caliber player to be this poor at free throw shooting. If you're not good, then you should work at it twice as hard.
 
homes said:
Inexcusable for a BT caliber player to be this poor at free throw shooting. If you're not good, then you should work at it twice as hard.
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Agreed, 60% isn't good, however if they even would have shot 50%...we win...60% and we win by almost 10. 40% is atrocious.
 
homes said:
Inexcusable for a BT caliber player to be this poor at free throw shooting. If you're not good, then you should work at it twice as hard.
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Cook and Pemsl started terrible but was as least decent by the end of the year (excluding last game for Cook obviously ). Wagner is the one guy we will never want at the line.
 
hawkdrummer1 said:
I'm always amazed that a guy is good enough to play D1 basketball, but can't hit the majority of his free throws.
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It ain't that hard if you practice
1 square up to the line
2 relax
3 bend your knees
4 get to the bottom of your shot.
5. Follow through
If you can't make 80/100
Repeat
 
it's sad when Iowa shoots better from the 3 point line than the free throw line. Regardless turnovers and non existent defense played a part in the loss as well
 
mrolympia said:
it's sad when Iowa shoots better from the 3 point line than the free throw line. Regardless turnovers and non existent defense played a part in the loss as well
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If Wagner and Cook were shooting the majority of the 3s, their free throw percentage would have been better than their 3 point percentage. On the flip side, if Jok and Bohannon would have shot the majority of the free throws, the free throw percentage would have been better than the 3 point percentage.
 
Woodbury was a poor free throw shooter when he was a freshman, but he got to be pretty good at shooting his free throws.
 
Tierney said:
Woodbury was a poor free throw shooter when he was a freshman, but he got to be pretty good at shooting his free throws.
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Other than the last game, Cook has been decent for quite awhile now. I highly doubt Wagner ever will be. He doesn't just miss. He misses bad.
 
mrolympia said:
it's sad when Iowa shoots better from the 3 point line than the free throw line. Regardless turnovers and non existent defense played a part in the loss as well
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I don't disagree with you that there were multiple reasons for the loss. But as a coach you have to ask yourself which deficiencies are the easiest to correct? I would assume that free-throw shooting would be the easiest thing to eliminate as an Achilles heel. I say that because when I started playing basketball at a young age I couldn't make a free throw. But the more I practiced the better I got. By the time I was in junior high I could hit 75% in game situations. Now if someone with my limited athletic skills can hit 75% under pressure . . . well . . . really no excuse at the level we're discussing.
 
Joshbrown said:
I don't disagree with you that there were multiple reasons for the loss. But as a coach you have to ask yourself which deficiencies are the easiest to correct? I would assume that free-throw shooting would be the easiest thing to eliminate as an Achilles heel. I say that because when I started playing basketball at a young age I couldn't make a free throw. But the more I practiced the better I got. By the time I was in junior high I could hit 75% in game situations. Now if someone with my limited athletic skills can hit 75% under pressure . . . well . . . really no excuse at the level we're discussing.
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Athletic ability isn't a factor in making free throws under pressure. Or making free throws in general for that matter. There are plenty of really good athletes that can't shoot for shit.
 
I was at the game laughing how the crowd was groaning after every missed free throw. It's like they didn't even factor in who was shooting them. When Wagner is at the line, there is no need to groan when he misses. He's going to miss. Also, what's the crowd trying to do, get into the heads of their own players? Cook was already struggling, but on the road he probably would have done better because he wouldn't have to listen to 13,000 fans groan after every miss.
 
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