2019-2020 Team

[NikeHawk21]

Okay, I’m cautiously optimistic for the coming season which is fast approaching, but looking at the depth chart has me even more excited for the following season.

Let’s assume for a second we don’t have any early departures for a draft (probably a fairly high chance Fant goes).

On offense we’d lose Easley and two interior linemen from the current group. I think we can replace the linemen, but we will need a WR to step up.

On defense we’d lose Gervase, Matt Nelson, and Parker Hesse. With Nixon coming in and Linderbaum, DT should be a strength. Gervase is solid but between Brents or Stone I think he can be replaced.

Talent wise that could be one of the better in the Ferentz era. That DLine I personally think stacks up pretty well with some of the best we’ve had and we’ve really recruited well in the secondary in recent years (thanks Dez King).

Offensively I think you’d have two potential 1st round tackles, a potential 1st round QB (see McShay), a potential 1st round TE (if he stays). Even if Fant goes we still will have TJ who will be one of the best in conference. Return 3 RBs who all provide something unique and another year of experience for ISM and Smith at WR.

That team could be very special.

 

[okeefe4prez]

Let’s assume for a second we don’t have any early departures for a draft (probably a fairly high chance Fant goes).

Stanley is a first rounder as well, so back him out of the mix.

 

[Hawkfnntn]

Stanley is a first rounder as well, so back him out of the mix.

If Stanley is a 1st rounder than that means we'll have a heck of a season this year... I think he has POTENTIAL in that regard but he's still gotta go out there and do it. He's not as physically athletic as that Wyoming kid from last yr was so If Stanley doesn't improve his completion percentage and pocket awareness he might not be quite that highly thought of. I'm sure not rooting against that though nothing would be more fun than for him and the offense to get off to a hot start and turn some heads

 

[NikeHawk21]

If Stanley is a 1st rounder than that means we'll have a heck of a season this year... I think he has POTENTIAL in that regard but he's still gotta go out there and do it. He's not as physically athletic as that Wyoming kid from last yr was so If Stanley doesn't improve his completion percentage and pocket awareness he might not be quite that highly thought of. I'm sure not rooting against that though nothing would be more fun than for him and the offense to get off to a hot start and turn some heads

Exactly. If Stanley goes pro it likely means we had a very good season this year.

I also think Mansell and Petras are going to be good ones someday.

 

[CP87]

If Stanley is a 1st rounder than that means we'll have a heck of a season this year... I think he has POTENTIAL in that regard but he's still gotta go out there and do it. He's not as physically athletic as that Wyoming kid from last yr was so If Stanley doesn't improve his completion percentage and pocket awareness he might not be quite that highly thought of. I'm sure not rooting against that though nothing would be more fun than for him and the offense to get off to a hot start and turn some heads

I saw a stat on Twitter today with Stanley's True Completion %. His calculated to 73%, which was top 30 in the nation.

 

[homes]

Did I sleep through the 2018 season? How did the Hawks do? What day is it? Signed, Rip Van Winkle (my real name).

 

[Hawkfnntn]

Exactly. If Stanley goes pro it likely means we had a very good season this year.

I also think Mansell and Petras are going to be good ones someday.

Yeah I think those two things would have to go hand in hand. Plus when you start nitpicking between the QBs of that caliber winning tends to be a metric. So if he's getting looked at in that realm we aren't goin on a 7-5 or 8-4 win type of year. I'd have to think 9 wins or better with a big win against either Wisky or PSU might be on the table.

Yeah those two guys battling it out for #2 is interesting. They are certainly different styles and sizes but both have potential. Till we see them out there taking a rep that counts it's tough to really know what to think though I try to not get too high or low on QBs that haven't played. Been there done that over the years and my track record isn't the best haha

 

[okeefe4prez]

I saw a stat on Twitter today with Stanley's True Completion %. His calculated to 73%, which was top 30 in the nation.

This seems like a dubious statistic that would favor guys with slow releases or short guys. I get backing out the drops, but the other things are pretty speculative.

 

[Hawkfnntn]

I saw a stat on Twitter today with Stanley's True Completion %. His calculated to 73%, which was top 30 in the nation.

Nice find. Yeah his receivers gotta help him out more this year for sure too.

 

[NikeHawk21]

Potential depth chart:

QB: Stanley

RB: Young, IKM, Sargent (in no order)

WR: ISM, Smith, Tracy?, Young?

TE: Fant, TJ

LT: Jackson
LG: ?
C: ?
RG: Paulsen
RT: Wirfs

DE: Nelson, Waggoner
DT: Lattimore, Golston
DT: Nixon, Reiff, Linderbaum
DE: AJE

LB: Neimann
MLB: Jones
LB: Colbert or ?

CB: Hankins, Turner
S: Hooker
S: Stone, Brents
CB: OJ, DJ, Creamer

 

[CP87]

Potential depth chart:

QB: Stanley

RB: Young, IKM, Sargent (in no order)

WR: ISM, Smith, Tracy?, Young?

TE: Fant, TJ

LT: Jackson
LG: ?
C: ?
RG: Paulsen
RT: Wirfs

DE: Nelson, Waggoner
DT: Lattimore, Golston
DT: Nixon, Reiff, Linderbaum
DE: AJE

LB: Neimann
MLB: Jones
LB: Colbert or ?

CB: Hankins, Turner
S: Hooker
S: Stone, Brents
CB: OJ, DJ, Creamer

I would bump Gholston out to a most-of-the-time DE, and add Simon there as well. I think Shannon will be seeing DT time.

With LBs, you would still have Wade and Welch from the current 2 deeps, plus the big class of freshmen this year.

 

[NikeHawk21]

I would bump Gholston out to a most-of-the-time DE, and add Simon there as well. I think Shannon will be seeing DT time.

With LBs, you would still have Wade and Welch from the current 2 deeps, plus the big class of freshmen this year.

Agreed ran through it kind of quickly. That Dline is going to be loaded.

 

[NCHawker]

Stanley is a first rounder as well, so back him out of the mix.

He'll win the Heisman. You don't replace that. Hawks will take the field with 10 players

 

[MelroseHawkins]

I saw a stat on Twitter today with Stanley's True Completion %. His calculated to 73%, which was top 30 in the nation.

You get hit on your % with a spike to clock it? Who knew?

 

[guffus]

I saw a stat on Twitter today with Stanley's True Completion %. His calculated to 73%, which was top 30 in the nation.

I am sorry, this has to be one of the most worthless stats I have ever heard of. Every incompletion matters.

If the QB throws a pass that is batted down, that's an incompletion. It usually means the QB is not tall enough or throws the ball sideways, but there is something about the QB that causes his passes to be batted down instead of being completed.

If he throws it away, that means he did not even attempt a completion, which may be the logical choice given his skills, but maybe a different QB has the skills to either complete a pass or run instead.

If he has a lot of dropped passes, why is he throwing a lot of passes that get dropped?

If he gets hit while he is throwing, could he had done something to avoid getting hit.

I could go on, but even with all that manipulation, Stanley still is not even in the top 25 of this worthless stat.

 

[CP87]

I am sorry, this has to be one of the most worthless stats I have ever heard of. Every incompletion matters.

If the QB throws a pass that is batted down, that's an incompletion. It usually means the QB is not tall enough or throws the ball sideways, but there is something about the QB that causes his passes to be batted down instead of being completed.

If he throws it away, that means he did not even attempt a completion, which may be the logical choice given his skills, but maybe a different QB has the skills to either complete a pass or run instead.

If he has a lot of dropped passes, why is he throwing a lot of passes that get dropped?

I could go on, but even with all that manipulation, Stanley still is not even in the top 25 of this worthless stat.

Good points, the exclusion of the batted balls does seem especially problematic.

I suppose it is kind of like the Fielding Independent Pitching stat: focus only on things that are under near complete control of the pitcher. The things hat are excluded are not necessarily uninfluenced by the pitcher, but simply things he does not have complete control over.

I assume since @hawkeyegamefilm is tweeting it, it is probably something that pro teams look at when they judge QB prospects.

 

[Hawkfnntn]

I am sorry, this has to be one of the most worthless stats I have ever heard of. Every incompletion matters.

If the QB throws a pass that is batted down, that's an incompletion. It usually means the QB is not tall enough or throws the ball sideways, but there is something about the QB that causes his passes to be batted down instead of being completed.

If he throws it away, that means he did not even attempt a completion, which may be the logical choice given his skills, but maybe a different QB has the skills to either complete a pass or run instead.

If he has a lot of dropped passes, why is he throwing a lot of passes that get dropped?

If he gets hit while he is throwing, could he had done something to avoid getting hit.

I could go on, but even with all that manipulation, Stanley still is not even in the top 25 of this worthless stat.

Every individual play is just that. To say it's the QBs fault that he threw the ball away when he got quick pressure and his receivers were covered isn't exactly something to hold against the QB. Unless he was supposed to have adjusted the lines protection scheme and messed that up. But how would we know something like that? What gamefilm does with that is interesting and something to consider but no it's not an end all be all stat to be looking at either. Their pretty much is no such thing. Except the lack of interceptions that's a positive no matter how you cut it. That being said I find it funny how Hornibrook is getting so much love yet the dude threw 15 picks last yr... That's called winning despite your QB. Look no further than the game he had against us. 2 pick 6s to Jackson. His D and running game just carried them last yr. I think if you put him in game situations where he's behind and in 3rd and longs he won't beat you.

 

[guffus]

Every individual play is just that. To say it's the QBs fault that he threw the ball away when he got quick pressure and his receivers were covered isn't exactly something to hold against the QB.

I am not saying it's a wrong decision for certain QB's to throw the ball away, but it should be counted as an incompletion. Maybe if the QB is more mobile, he can avoid the rush and either run for a gain or escape to throw a pass that might be completed. The fact that he didn't have the skills to do that, and had to throw the ball away, should count against him.

 

[okeefe4prez]

I am not saying it's a wrong decision for certain QB's to throw the ball away, but it should be counted as an incompletion. Maybe if the QB is more mobile, he can avoid the rush and either run for a gain or escape to throw a pass that might be completed. The fact that he didn't have the skills to do that, and had to throw the ball away, should count against him.

Buh buh buh but there is a flaw in the current stats so that a guy who takes 5 sacks a game will have a higher completion percentage than a guy who throws it away 5 times instead of getting sacked!

 

[Hawkfnntn]

I am not saying it's a wrong decision for certain QB's to throw the ball away, but it should be counted as an incompletion. Maybe if the QB is more mobile, he can avoid the rush and either run for a gain or escape to throw a pass that might be completed. The fact that he didn't have the skills to do that, and had to throw the ball away, should count against him.

I guess but that's a beauty is in the eye of the beholder kinda deal too. Some staffs prefer the non mobile pocket QB and value an incompletion on a throw away like that on a 1st and 10 instead of some of the running around that mobile ones can do with the unpredictability with what can happen with them be it them throwing picks taking sacks fumbling etc. That's where having a higher completion % helps and your yards per play/completion are huge. You can look at just about any stat and nitpick and find a down side angle to it. It's why I try to take more into account than just one or two before totally having a conclusion on a kid.